|   Can someone recommend a 8-10 inch sub that is good? | Thunder
Mar 9, 2001 9:58 AM | | Can someone recommend a 8-10 inch sub that is good?
My price range is 500 - 800 only.
Must be good for music and for theater!
I like it tight. |
| on the low side of your price range.................. | unleasHell
Mar 9, 2001 10:03 AM | | I have the Velodyne LFE1012, it has a 10" subwoofer with a downward firing 12" passive. It sells for $549 and it sounds great to me. check it out on the velodyne site.. |
| I don't agree at all.................. | Ace W.
Mar 9, 2001 10:31 AM | | They are not musical. They are slow and heavy coned. Their moving mass has to be very high to achieve a resonance low enough for sub-40Hz material. Also Velodyne's servo control amp thing is a marketing hype that no quality seperate or pro sound amp would use. It is like a heavy, slow sub on steroids. The bad way to speed things up. Also downfiring anything is bad. It means cabin gain effect and usually only means cabin gain effect in the "thump like a teenager's car" range. They assume it will "bump" more and you will feel the floor shake. This might be OK for movies but will ruin music. Imagine a driver facing or port/passive radiator into the floor playing a piano solo- it won't accurately. Sealed box subs are much better if it has to be down firing or placed near a wall. If you got that velodyne, plan on a pair unless you can place it between your speakers AND away from the walls. If it sounds weak away from the walls you have to bass too loud or the sub's inferiority is showing.
Are your mains floorstanding? Do the mains sound fullrange in music? Do you use seperates? How big is the main's woofers? With this information I could tell you whether a sub is even necessary. Most good mains that are geared towards seperates will play fullrange much better than any mass market Velodyne and Paradigm "powered" subs. With smaller or lighter cones they might not "bump" or rattle cement foundations, but they will sound better. Easily keep up in the bass up to intolerable volumes of mids/highs. |
| disagree | wik
Mar 9, 2001 10:51 AM | | I guess it's a matter of taste. I have an 8" downward firing polk psw120 setup in a 15 x 20 room and I think it sounds great. Nice tight bass for music(not boomy and no thump as you described) and enough punch(for my taste anyway) for HT and it only cost 299.00. Mind you I am not at all a bass freak so my requirements may differ. |
| I agree with you all the way... nt | Alex - the good one.
Mar 9, 2001 10:56 AM | | . |
| I agree with you all the way. Ace... | Alex - the good one.
Mar 9, 2001 10:58 AM | | Big, down firing subs suck.
OK for car crashes, bomb explosions, etc. But NO WAY for music.
Alex - the good one. |
| Alex Alex Alex Please! | 46minaudio
Mar 10, 2001 2:00 PM | | Dont hold back tell him how you really feel about big down firing subs. |
| Go watch the movie: "Full Metal Jacket." | Alex - the good one.
Mar 10, 2001 10:23 PM | | To make a long story short. Go rent the movie - "Full Metal Jacket."
Just imagine each marine represents a musical note.
Pay special attention to the sequences when the platoon was in boot camp, trainning on the obstacle course.
Just subsititutes a 12", or larger down-firing subwoofer for "Private Pile"
The "servo-assists" types are even worse. Another imaginative, but visual example here:
It's like in the same movie. FMJ - in the scene where "Private Pile" get caught with a jelly donut in his locker... Only this time the donut is the "servo", and it needs Private Pile to "assist"... He had to finish his donut first before he could join back to the troop!
Get the idea?
Alex - the good one. |
| I don't agree at all.................. | Thunder
Mar 9, 2001 10:59 AM | | I have the floor standing B&W 602
I use the Yamaha rxv-2095
Living room is about 13 by 14
Do I need a sub. Which one would you recommend in my price range, even If I dont need one? |
| How deep you want to go? | Alex - the good one.
Mar 9, 2001 11:11 AM | | Check out the PSB Alpha Subsonic series.
For about $400-$450. You can get a *PAIR* of PSB Alpha SubZero. (8" driver. - 3dB @ 40 Hz)
For about $600-$700, you can get a *PAIR* of PSB Alpha Subsonic 5 (10" driver -3 dB @ about 27 Hz)
Shop around.
VERY tight and musical bass. Go for stereo subs. Rated power is not that much. But the sound quality speaks for them well. Either will gives you enough volume in average sized rooms. The Subsonic 5 works extremely with my B&Ws in both music and movies.
http://www.psbspeakers.com
Alex - the good one. |
| How deep you want to go? | Thunder.
Mar 9, 2001 11:17 AM | | I will look around for PSB, but I dont think they have them there in the tampa area.
Thanks. |
| I just checked. I have the B&W 603s | Thunder
Mar 9, 2001 11:24 AM | | Do you think I need a sub?? |
| I just checked. I have the B&W 603s | Alex - the good one.
Mar 9, 2001 11:52 AM | | Depends.
With very good juicy power amp, like the Stratos. No, with most music.
But yes, for movies.
But it also depends on your room acoustics. Play around with the supplied foam plugs for the B&W first, and positioning.
The HSU sub will gives you all the rattles and shakes you'll ever need for movies. But a bit sloppy, and overwhelming, overpowering for music. I've used the 1220 before.
You can get PSB from mail order. Do a search at google.com
BTW. HSU's web address is
http://www.hsuresearch.com/
Alex - the good one. |
| Just one more question.. | Thunder
Mar 9, 2001 12:15 PM | | I have been playing with the foam inserts. My question is....are the foam inserts suppose to increase the bass? They seem to decrease the bass. What do you think? |
| Just one more question.. | Alex - the good one.
Mar 9, 2001 2:23 PM | | The foam plugs will decrease the volume of the bass some, but goes deeper.
But all are depending on positioning (how close / away from wall/corner.) and music type.
I ended up using the high density foam on the upper port, and the medium density foam in the lower port.
VERY tight bass in my room like this. Both channels are 5 ft away from any wall/corner.
Take your time. Play around with repositioning and the foam plugs for awhile first. You can always change them.
The B&W manuel has the graph of approximately what the changes will be with the different plugs.
Alex - the good one. |
| Not quite. | Valnar
Mar 9, 2001 4:18 PM | | The design of the sub and quality of components matter most, not whether it is downfiring or not. It's true that ported subs are usually bad for music (and HT in my opinion) because they sacrifice speed & tuning for extension. I have an ACI Titan II which is downfiring, and nobody who has heard one would call it unmusical. I would put it against any sub you currently own. I don't even need to know what you own to make that statement.
Robert |
| re: Can someone recommend a 8-10 inch sub that is good? | Neutral
Mar 9, 2001 11:18 AM | | Surprised these haven't come up yet (in order of preference):
SVS + a good mono amp (Marantz MA-700 would be good).
HSU VTF-2
Paradigm
I agree that, in my opinion, the Velodynes are anything but "tight".
Listen and enjoy. |
| Got a link to HSU website? | thunder
Mar 9, 2001 11:33 AM | | nt |
| Got a link to HSU website? | ghopkins
Mar 9, 2001 12:29 PM | | Try Jeff's Sound Values |
| A couple of links for you... | NorthBear
Mar 9, 2001 12:38 PM | | to HSU: http://www.hsuresearch.com/
to SVS: http://www.svsubwoofers.com/
Personally I went with the SVS because you do not have to buy the HSU amp which has built in eq. Here is a link to a description of how the SVS differs from other Cylinder type subs.
http://www.svsubwoofers.com/faqs.htm#HsuversusSVS
IMO the SVS is a very impressive sub, and a great value!
NorthBear |
| PS... | NorthBear
Mar 9, 2001 12:40 PM | | Forgot to mention... the service from SVS is second to none IMO!
NorthBear |
| Recommendations | Bryan
Mar 9, 2001 12:53 PM | | If you are looking specifially for an 8 - 10" sub that is good, then you may not get one you like. You may want to look at the ACI Quake (www.audioc.com). If you want to audition the SVS subs prior to purchase then just send me an email and I'll try to arrange something for you. I have the SVS 20-39CS and Samson S700 amp. I also live in the Tampa area. |
| re: ACI Quake | jd
Mar 9, 2001 1:01 PM | | It has dual 8s. Heck of a sub for the money. Read the reviews at this site. Try one yourself and hear! |
| re: Can someone recommend a 8-10 inch sub that is good? | Southern Boy
Mar 9, 2001 1:21 PM | | shoot son, ah don't use no stinkin sub. ah juss make me wife stomp on the flo to the beat of the drum. Naw, juss jokin. ah thunk SVS is the way to go. |
| re: Can someone recommend a 8-10 inch sub that is good? | Southern Boy
Mar 9, 2001 1:26 PM | | oh by the way, what you mean, tight? good god son, ah hope you aint refrin to nothin like homoism. if so, ah'd stay out a my town. ah don't mind myself .... but ther's alot boy's down here who'd a have yer hide. |
| Monitor Audio ASW 110 | samiam
Mar 9, 2001 2:03 PM | | Good for music and HT in your price range. It's pretty fast. |
| HSU Research VTF-2, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT! | Ben M
Mar 9, 2001 9:12 PM | | Plain & Simple... Black & White
For $500 the Hsu VTF-2 is the very best subwoofer under $1000. I bought mine online at <a href="http://www.ascendacoustics.com">www.ascendacoustics.com</a>
or just call Hsu Research in Orange county Cali... |
| Boston Acoustics PV 600 (nt) | Mark Glodfelter
Mar 10, 2001 8:58 AM | | |
| DBX Sub-Synthesizer | BeatleFred
Mar 10, 2001 8:27 PM | | Ive seen some on Ebay- never heard one though. But thought I'd mention it as possibility to look into.
I have a Paradigm PDR-8 which is alright. But for music I'd prefer to have speakers w/ good enough bass response not to need subwoofers.
I cant speak for the other brands, but with Infinity: you can get massive bass the artificial way with something like the SM-150's which have 15" woofers. By artificial I mean the bass is prominent but its flabby and bloated, not fast and tight. The Infinity Renaissance 90's are the real deal- see the owner reviews on this site. |
| re: Can someone recommend a 8-10 inch sub that is good? | Paul
Mar 11, 2001 8:42 AM | | Monitor Audio ASW110.
Paul Lam
P.L.C.Lam Consulting Inc. |
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