|   Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | jorge
Jan 19, 2002 9:52 AM | | Hello
I like much sound,I have been researching speakers for many years.
I think that ATC,B&W,TANNOY,CELESTION,WILSON AUDIO,THIELF,MARTIN
LOGAN,CANTON,WAFERDALE,DYNAUDIO,ACI,ADS,are the best speakers in the
world.I was listen to PARADIGM,PSB,ENERGY and other Canadian speakers,
and I not find nothing really wonderful.
Please,if there somethink secret,someone can explain me?
Thanks everybody.
Jorge. |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | tdk guy
Jan 19, 2002 10:12 AM | | No secret. Paradigm and others are the beneficiaries of the NRC in Canada. You can read about the NRC at Paradigm's website or by going to the NRC's website. Bottom line is that Paradigm (and others) use hard science, no black magic, to research, develop and manufacture loudspeakers. Double blind listening testing as well. Flat and smooth response at a reasonable cost is a hallmark of the brand. Some brands, B&W for example, used to, may still, voice their speakers by ear. Perhaps why B&W's tend to sound a little laid back as a rule. |
| u shood wury mor about ur speling than bashing | swervinman
Jan 19, 2002 11:42 AM | | Canadian manufacturers of speakers. |
| u shood wury mor about ur speling than bashing | Jammer
Jan 19, 2002 12:57 PM | | swervinman,
Maybe you should either get a life or attempt to locate some intelligence, instead of giving a hard time to someone for whom English is obviously a second language. |
| Whatever!! | swervinman
Jan 19, 2002 7:32 PM | | The post was a ridiculous waste of time.. Are you oblivious to this fact or are you lacking intelligence yourself? |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | Doug C.
Jan 19, 2002 12:19 PM | | Everyone's perception of good sound and taste in music differs.
I never really considered Paradigm, felt like you in many ways. When I started looking at main speakers recently, I auditioned many of the brands you mention. Then I realized that the Paradigm Studio 100 was in the top 20 on this site for the number of user reviews. On top of that It has one of the highest overall ratings. Could all these people be wrong I asked?
Well I went and listened to these four times. I kept telling myself there was no way that a speaker selling for 2K less than others I auditioned could sound as good or better. Well I finally forgot about price, specs, etc. and just let my ears make the decision. I love my 100's and saved a wad of cash in the process.
Doug C. |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | RGA
Jan 19, 2002 2:00 PM | | I would agree with you. Speakers are a matter of personnal taste. I think Paradigm is more of a show-room floor speaker. As for the NRC...and spec sheets - none of that matters to the way sound is perceived by the brain(not just by the ear). Another poster mentioned voicing by the ear...yes we do gravitate to things that sound good to the ear...sure beats the graph...after all the graph isn't paying for the speakers.
As for the 100 it's a fine speaker...I disagree that it is somehow the pinnacle of the audio world in it's price range...there are a fair number I'd take a head of it at a lower price. Still for heart pounding rock/dance/rap the Paradigm 100 offers a lot for the money. For Classical not at all...but then maybe I'm the only one that cares about that part of music. |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | jorge
Jan 19, 2002 2:45 PM | | First,sorry my English,really I have 6 month studing it,but of sound
and component I know.
I know that Paradigm are excellent speakers may be the best speakers
from Canada,but we can not forget that other speakers are excellent
too for the same price,example B&W DM series and Canton,Dynaudio.
I am sure that Celestion,Tannoy,Whaferdale,B&W,ATC,KEF,are better
Paradigm,all Britain speakers and Wilson,Thielf,ACI,JM Lab,Jamo,
ADS,Martin Logan and other speakers from US are better too.
The Deutsche Grammophon,Decca,Abbey Road Studios,London,EMI,and other
use Kevlar cone and Nautilus technologies from B&W.
Alan Parkson is a famous producer,enginner and chairman of Abbey Road
Studios.Why the reference monitor in this studio aren't Paradigm?
Peoples the best speakers in the world are from Great Britain,I am
sure.
Thanks.
Jorge. |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | Look111
Jan 19, 2002 4:52 PM | | Jorge,
You are making very wide-sweeping remarks that I really do not agree with. You can't simply state that:
"Celestion,Tannoy,Whaferdale,B&W,ATC,KEF,are better
Paradigm,all Britain speakers and Wilson,Thielf,ACI,JM Lab,Jamo,
ADS,Martin Logan and other speakers from US are better too"
The only way you can really compare is model by model from the different manufacturers in similar price ranges. Most of the companies you mentioned make some very good speakers but also make some very under-performing speakers. As well, there is a very important matter of personal preference. For instance, I tend to dislike most Jamo speakers, but that is a matter of my personal preference. I would really encourage you to take a better look at Canadian speaker manufacturers, all their various models, and make fair comparisons to other manufacturers. I think you will find some excellent speakers at very reasonable prices. In addition to Paradigm (which I believe makes some wonderful speakers in their respective price points), I would encourage you to check out other Canadian speakers since there are quite a few of them, such as PSB, Mirage, Energy, Athena, Totem, Axiom, Coincident Technology, Newform Research, Gershman Acoustics, Verity Audio, Audio Specialiste, Mutine, Meadow Song Labs, and many more! |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | RGA
Jan 19, 2002 8:55 PM | | You are correct...Castle is British and I respect them in some ways but they are not my cup of tea.
Jorge...Follow Look 111's advice...not all speakers from every manufacturer is the bestbang for your buck...the B&W CM line is not great at all... Plus JM Labs has some not so great ones.
It's a little disturbing that the only speakers Canada seems known for is Paradigm and PSB, when there are better ones available...but when a company is small...they are not in every warehouse store...you have to do a little work and find them...since work is required it's easier to take the path of least resistence and buy whatever happens to be in the store you're in. Since PSB is in a lot of Sony stores...naturally they will sell well...especially compared to Sony speakers...Paradigm is carried PRIMARILY in the Audio unlimited store...do they carry anything other than Paradigm...whatever it is likely changes every 6 months...and it's almost always some pathetic no name or receiver brand speaker. So naturally Paradigm is going to kill them.
Ohh now I remember...here(BC) the competition is Bang and Oluffson. It cost 3 times the money of the Paradigm and it's not even 1/2 as good...maybe that's what people mean when they say Paradigm is as good or better than speakers at triple the cost...in this case I agree...but heck those Sonys give B&O a run. |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | Pat D
Jan 19, 2002 4:15 PM | | As I understand it, the DBTs at the NRC determined a number of characteristics a majority of people like in speakers, including a smooth frequency response, flat midrange response, wide dispersion, and low distortion. The balance below and above the midrange is more a matter of taste. I think some of the Paradigm literature goes into this.
So, it is not accurate to say that what the NRC discovered is unrelated to how people hear. But of course, a number of people prefer something else and there is no reason why they should not.
I'm a Quad man and a died-in-the-wool classical fan, but I still like Paradigm speakers, especially the Studio 40 and Studio 100. I like 'em fine on classical music. |
| re: Fever of Paradigm......................Why? | RGA
Jan 19, 2002 9:07 PM | | Remember though that NRC is an open facility...you want to conduct research great...they don't hand coddle the research being done ... nor do they take responsibility for research. Someone says they did a DBT test...that's fine...they don't check to see the how it was used and what are you trying to proves from those documents...which in lesser words than I've said they state on their first few pages. Using a Medical DBT for Pills is not the same. In a few weeks, time permitting I'll discuss these tests some more with the Psychology department graduates and profs. So far my previous concerns with the controls in these tests have been agreed upon...I am trying to get a procedural that would be supported by a science dealing with this rather than a non human related science...Particular areas of interest is in the significance level required...which may be MUCH less strigent than currently used by the like of the AES...and various other controls...and of course what I've always argued...listen to the claim made..and adjust the test accordingly...which has not been done and grossly skews any testing. I wish I stayed in the program...I'd be in 3rd year and this would have all been covered...but alas I needed to switch to the arts(History) to become a teacher. |
| RGA........ I concidered your knowledge | jorge
Jan 20, 2002 10:05 AM | | In other post you said me that B&W DM-602 S2 are one better for its
price and in this post,you don't spoke good about it.
are or aren't good the B&W DM-602 S2? are they same in quality that
Paradigm studio 40 or better ?
Thanks, Jorge. |
| RGA........ I concidered your knowledge | RGA
Jan 20, 2002 3:55 PM | | Jorge...The B&W 602S2 is terrific...The line I'm not impressed with is the CM line.
Bang for buck:
So CDM, 600, 300 Lines: Great
CM Line: Below average. |
| I auditioned those speakers at home... | Woochifer
Jan 22, 2002 1:13 PM | | and I must say both of them are excellent speakers for the price. The DM602s are the more well mannered of the two, and if home theatre use was not a priority with me, then I very well might have opted for the DM602s, since they cost $300 less than the Studio 40s. But, for home theatre, the Studio 40 is more lifelike and dynamic, and the B&W's more mellow personality doesn't work quite as well. As others have said, it's a matter of preference. |
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