|   Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | SAUL
Jul 12, 2001 6:49 PM | | I've got two questions and they are,I have Denon 3801 and would it my system sound like separates if I added AMP to it.Would it make some difference in sound, are the same.
This Qct. when Outlaw is coming out with the 950 pre amp, to sell
what I have and go with that system, would their be great Big difference. THANKS |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | swervinman
Jul 13, 2001 6:00 AM | | Hi,
I added an outboard amp to my Denon 4800 and the difference was only minor. We already have pretty good amps in the Denon receiver so the bottleneck here is the pre-amp. There is no substitute for a good pre-amp, even an inexpensive pre-amp is likely superior to whats in our receivers. |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | agro1
Jul 13, 2001 7:51 AM | | Agreed, but if you get a really good, powerful, clean amp your gonna see a huge difference. Hook a big Bryston up and sit back and relax. |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | swervinman
Jul 13, 2001 1:02 PM | | Its better yes but not as much as I'd hoped. My primary reason for the extra amp was for 7.1 channels in home theater. As for a Bryston its a single 3BST with the hope of adding a second later in the year.
Thanks |
| The Bryston | RGA
Jul 13, 2001 3:40 PM | | Should be a vast improvement over the power amp in the Denon...especially with full range floorstanding speakers. The difference may not be as noticeable with surround speakers as most of these set-ups don't have a true front end speaker. Also, a poor pre-amp could be a killer to a system. What I don't understand is that if one is going to buy a receiver and then replace all the power amps and preamp sections...why get the Receiver to start with? This will cost twice as much as buying seperates. |
| The Bryston | swervinman
Jul 13, 2001 4:22 PM | | Only room and funds for one system to combine both theater/2 channel stereo. Since I am running Paradigm Studio 100's I know I will need to feed them more juice which may be holding them back from their full potential.
Thanks |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | Electro
Jul 13, 2001 12:00 PM | | I'm with agro on this. Recently added a bryston 3b to a denon 2800 and the improvement was more than just noticeable. Everything about the sound improved.
Steve |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | Robot Czar
Jul 14, 2001 10:20 PM | | What do you mean by the "same as separates'?
You would gain additional power if you added an external amp, but your preamp (and tuner) would be the same. Therefore you would not improve noise performance (or distortion) of your current setup unless you have a really, really bad power amp stage in your receiver. Additional power would be audible if the max wattage is at least doubled.
As for some difference in sound other than max volume, forget it. No one has be able to demonstrate there are audible differences in reasonable electronics (true believers, spare me the protests unless you know of such a demonstration in a controlled test). Electronics do not make sounds, they amplify and otherwise control electronic signals. The distortion and noise added by modern electronics is very low, in fact, negligible. Speakers actually make sounds and will affect what you hear more than any electronics will. |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | Golden Ears
Jul 15, 2001 7:42 AM | | HEy, just two things . . .
First, show me a "scientific study" that proves that all equipment sounds alike. With out that your deduction that because distortion products are all below the threshold of human hearing, then they must all sound the same is false. THis is not mentioning that your premis is false that "distortion" is what will make equipment sound different.
Second, you said no difference unless the gentlemans "power amp in his reciever is really bad". So a really bad amp sounds different than a good one?
It has been my experience that almost all audio devices have a sound of their own, in many ways alike, but sometimes not so subtle differences.
Do you support this view because you can not or will not spend a considerable amount of your yearly income for audio and so hold this stance to rationalize your decision when buying lower priced gear?
Please, let us know?
Keith |
| It gets tiring pointing out the obvious... | Robot Czar
Jul 15, 2001 12:01 PM | | Doesn't it seem astounding to you that there is NO evidence that people hear difference among home audio electronics? The tests used show that plenty of things DO have evidence that they are audible--not electronics. Exactly what do scientific studies have to do to convince you? (That is a rhetorical question, I suspect nothing would convice you.)
Since you have not demonstated any understanding of proper testing, or any real understanding of distortion, your opinion on these matters is of little use to me or, I think, others. It is merely hot air (i.e., stating an opinion without backing it up).
Your opinion on what makes an audible difference is of less than a little interest to me as you made no attempt to isolate factors known to cause people to think they hear differences when there are none.
Distortion is simply the difference between the input electrical signal and the output signal (minus desired gain). Ponder a long, long time on how something can be audible but make no difference in the signal. You merely say my premise is wrong, but you offer no information to that effect. My understanding is that people cannot detect distortion of greater than 1% even on pure tones, and even greater distortion cannot be detected with music. Do you have any information (NOT OPINIONS) to the contrary? If not, I am offended by your comments. |
| It gets tiring pointing out the obvious... | Golden Ears
Jul 18, 2001 3:10 PM | | Get angry. I don't care. My only point is to show that you have not presented any "scientific" examples of how all electronics sound alike. Makes me wonder though, why do you get so upset? Anyone? I said "in my experience" that is it. I made no claim to any "scientific" knowledge. So, mister muse, enlighten us as to where you get your data from. |
| I'm willing to answer your question | Norm Strong
Jul 15, 2001 1:41 PM | | But ONLY because you know how to spell "separates." :-)
If you added an outboard amplifier to your receiver it would sound exactly like separates because it now IS separates.
Would it make a difference in the sound "field"? No.
Clearly the answer to the last question is that No, buying an Outlaw preamp and a separate power amp will simply consume more of your lucre. If the Denon is loud enough as is, keep it, enjoy it, and don't look in other backyards. |
| re: Would adding a amp to my receiver be the same as separates | Dali Lama
Jul 16, 2001 7:51 AM | | I added an amp (ODL) to my Marantz SR 7000 and could not believe the difference in sound. The sound is much more open, deep and detailed with the new amp. I was shocked by the improvement especially at high volume levels. Although the Marantz is rated at 100 wpc and the ODL is only rated at 130 wpc, the difference it has made to the sound is staggering.
Everyone has different opinions on this one, but I stand by mine. You should try an amp from a local store that will give you an at home audition to see if it is the right decision for you. |
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