|   Posers | DulceBuzz
Apr 12, 2001 7:25 PM | | Been observing here for awhile. Got some real Wannabe Electronic Engineers in here acting like they are the authority on audio. Looks to me like there are only a couple REAL Engineers here. Maybe 1 or 2 from each point of view. Never seen so many posers in my life. Mtrycrafts, Eyespy, GCM, Rockwell, and others that I can't recall right now. Anyone can read journals to get second hand information that you guys spew passing it off as first hand knowledge. Your nobodies. You have to earn the right to give the kind of advice your giving. Don't you have a mind of your own? Do you know this is fact FOR SURE? Because when you say you trust, doesn't make it fact.
In your post, it sounds to me like you think everyone is bias. Does this include you too? What makes the people that post this test data, and write these journals any different? You say you don't need to witness (proof) any of this data that you back in these journals. You trust them. Do you even know these people you trust? Well people trust their ears too, without proof. See... no difference. Right? So who is right and who is wrong?
Remains to be seen, at least here. There is a right answer, but the 2 sides here are so far to the hard line, they will never get to the right answer. But I think the right answer isn't what some are seeking here. I think they are here for the confrontational excitement.
I have never laughed so much in my life. What is especially funny is when you attack others that disagree with your "WISDOM" with sarcasim, like a grammar school child does. Anybody with a real education in electronics, would not do this. Why? Someone that has done the work, believes in their work, will not feel threatened and resort to sarcasm. You resort to sarcasm, because your views are based on others work. When someone talks over your head, or offers some practicle view, but the oposite of yours, you sidestep and change the subject over a few words, or a sentence in the post that you can twist in your favor, instead of what the whole post is saying. This I admit you are good at. At that point it is only evident you don't know how to respond to the whole post.
Some of what you say is partially true, but, not all. The journals that your read are one sided thats why. You are only seeking negatives to support your views. Thats bias. You have to want to find evidence on the other point of view. And leaving it to others to point it out to you is not their burden. Because, who are you? Nobody. Just a big cop out on your part. If you don't look as hard for evidence as you have for negatives, its apparent that you have no desire to.
Leave it to the REAL Engineers please. Thanks for the entertainment, and open your mind, or get a life!!!!
Don't bother responding to me. I was just an observer here. Amazing how much I saw in 2 weeks. I will not be back. So anything you respond with will not be seen by me. Unless you want to respond, so you look good in everyones eyes, be my guest. HEHE I'm sure you will dissect every word and sentence, twist it inside out to make you look like the winner here. Is that what it is about? Winning, or Learning?
Because, we all have alot to learn.
I gave you that last sentence, because I know you will single it out, and tell me that I have alot to learn. Yes I do, but then, so do you. |
| re: Posers | estan
Apr 13, 2001 3:21 AM | | dito...but I'm going to stay for the laughs. You guys crack me up. |
| It's so nice to be loved..... | Bruce Burke
Apr 13, 2001 10:44 AM | | Happy Easter. |
| re: Posers | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 12:33 PM | | The feeling is mutual, you are a crack up. |
| Been down this road | Mwalsdor@cscc.edu
Apr 13, 2001 6:57 AM | | Well, thanks for the quick sumation of some of the regulars. I would like to think that all contributors are not viewed as you describe here, outside of the ubiquitous engineers of course. Sorry to see you go so soon, for it seems you've only grasped - or choose to comment - on one component of AR.
Not finding your arguments w/o merit, I've chosen in my stay to simply overlook certain elements or individuals and focus my interests on those more positive or relevant topics or contributors. While allowing everyone to engage their passion in product fidelity or methodology as they wish, asking only for mutual consideration in return. This site and all who reside here are not above criticisum or fault-finding from others, as we are not perfect, imperfect actually. But outside of the concerns you identify, I have in my stay discovered other facets to embrace that keep me coming back, if only as a renegade.
Not speaking much of yourself, and seeing how your stay - as lurker till now - was so brief, I'm sure your post will not be well-received as you forecast. But understand we have no context which to measure your words or motives. Not being a spokesperson for anyone; perhaps it best you not reply to this thread, as I'm afraid it would spiral into something ugly given an opportunity. Thus I choose to bid you farewell on your journey and hope yo find a group more deserving (IYO) to engage your passion. So long.
MikE |
| Posers getting ready for another day at AR | Mr. Veracity
Apr 13, 2001 7:13 AM | | |
| Posers getting ready for another day at AR | estan
Apr 13, 2001 8:58 AM | | Very cool Mr.V but those teeth look like they bite... |
| ....the poodle b-i-i-i-ites, the poodle chews it....(nt) | Resident Loser
Apr 13, 2001 9:11 AM | | NT |
| Resident Loser immersed in his poodle fetish.... | Mr. Veracity
Apr 13, 2001 2:49 PM | | The make-up needs some work, RL, and all those Hostess HoHo's are starting to show, (you naughty boy!) but other then that, you look smashing! |
| The archives show that neither you nor.... | Resident Loser
Apr 17, 2001 6:55 AM | | ...your erstwhile companion( the sodomy expert) have grown the b@lls to reply to my final entries of our last encounter, so the poodle skirt seems apropos. But isn't that cute, we've gotten ourselves a digital camera; self-portraits can be very revealing!
I think Gallagher might have a website. Since it seems you are relying on prop "comedy" more and more, you might want to garner some tips. Although dressing like that probably brings you more "tips" than you can handle.
jimHJJ(...pink isn't my color and I wouldn't be caught dead in saddle shoes!!!...the poodle bi-i-i-i-tes, the poodle chews it...) |
| U haven't learned too much during your 82 yrs on planet Earth..... | Chris Garrett
Apr 17, 2001 9:42 PM | | Have you? You never answered my question either. Time to move on folks, nothing left here to see..........
Let it go man, let it go.
Chris |
| Try reading the response to our last contact... | Resident Loser
Apr 18, 2001 5:52 AM | | ...or get someone who CAN read to do it for you. The answer is there, I can't help it if you don't quite get it, there are limits insofar as to the amount of help I can provide.
I can get you a good deal on 22LRs.
Howzabout a vacuum cleaner for all the soccer dirt?
Got enough cup holders? Wouldn't want you to spill your half n' half decaf latte all over your leather or plush-pile carpeting!
BTW, I merely quoted a line from FZs "Dirty Love", can't be responsible for how your better-half interpereted it and responded to it, now can I? I've said there ARE limits!
jimHJJ(...gee, what was it that indicated your involvement in this anyway...hmm...oh yeah!!, your specialized field of expertise...nearly forgot...whi-i-i-iz...plop...ratchet, rachet, ratchet...you're right about one thing, there's nothing to see, the both of you add up to less than zip, zero, zilch, nada...what a pi$$er...) |
| Is senility setting in already? | Chris Garrett
Apr 18, 2001 6:36 AM | | What's a 'good deal' on 22LRs? I've got a nice SS Ruger mkII w/5.25" Bull Barrel that's fun to plink with.
To be quite honest, I've moved on and haven't visited that post since my final comment. I figured that it was becoming unproductive and I feel that what I said then, still applies.
You can keep hanging out on a cable board until you're blue in the face for all I care and I'll keep thinking that you remain an odd, old man. Besides, I'm sure that your wet-nurse is relieved that you're keeping yourself occupied.
Chris |
| Well then, It's inconceivably stupid of you.... | Resident Loser
Apr 18, 2001 8:49 AM | | ...to say I never answered you, ain't it schmucko!
...and typical, bloody moron.
jimHJJ(...you can't even keep track of what an idiot you are...LOL...the poodle b-i-i-ites, the poodle chews it!!!...) |
| Well then, It's inconceivably stupid of you.... | MajorDump
Apr 18, 2001 11:46 AM | | Ya gotta love when people get into fights over cables. I think they should get together and put the gloves on. May not end the debate... but would be fun to watch. But then again, maybe not. From the sound of some of the people in here, it could be like watching 2 girls fight. |
| Who's fighting over cables? | Chris Garrett
Apr 18, 2001 5:01 PM | | He's bringing up mud from a month ago. Some of us have moved on, at least I though so.
Chris |
| Absolutely nothing to do with cables.... | Resident Loser
Apr 19, 2001 7:00 AM | | ....around Apr. 1st Mr. Vapidity and poodle-boy(the sodomy expert) got on my case for complaints re: blatant use of this forum for commercial purposes.
The "pooster" didn't seem to comprehend the English language and when I tried to explain the difference between "site" and "forum" Mr. V(aka "Idiot Wind")took umbrage and sprang to his better-half's defense.
Simple as that. What it has devolved into is of their doing. I have responded in kind. No more, no less! It seems as though the mere mention of some specific song lyrics now causes great weeping and gnashing of teeth. Life's a female dog!(Big Brother doth watch)
Since I have absolutely nothing to hide, please feel free to visit the thread in question and decide for yourself. Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber really shine.
jimHJJ(...really shine...) |
| You crack me up..... | Chris Garrett
Apr 18, 2001 5:16 PM | | but at least you spelt things correctly, even if your syntax was a bit off. If, as you state, I'm a schmucko and a moron, why would you find my stupidity inconceivable?
I guess I'm guilty of not qualifying my impression of your untimely reply. Mea culpa.
By the way, what color is your poodle?
Have a nice life,
Chris |
| Still haven't quite got it, eh?.... | Resident Loser
Apr 19, 2001 7:32 AM | | ....most things run in a logical order or sequence(...gosh you are insipid...).
You are a schmucko and moron due to the inconceivable stupidity of your statement( as I'm certain there's more where that came from, we'll be in for a real good show).
My reply was timely at the time, yet another example of the above. (You might wanna' take notes if you can't keep up with the rest of the class!)
If you are Caucasian, I assume white.
BTW "spelt" is a type of wheat(details...details...details...)
jimHJJ(...you are quite lucky that heartbeat and breathing are regulated by the autonomic nervous system...) |
| "....most things run in a logical order or sequence" | Chris Garrett
Apr 20, 2001 7:29 AM | | Yeah, you're telling me.
And thanks for providing me the refresher in 'Wheat 101' as I must have slept through that part of class. 'Spelt' is also an alternative to 'spelled' but you already knew that.
I'll leave the last word to you as this banter has now become tiring.
Chris |
| Hmmm,...British spelling and usage.... | Resident Loser
Apr 23, 2001 8:25 AM | | ....that's usually grounds for Mr.V. to come prancing out, spitting his usual venom! Conspicuous by his absence, isn't he? Only further proof of the self-serving mindset exhibited by some. Go figure.
Grown weary keeping track of your own fabrications in complex exchanges have you? Gee, this all started with a seven word sentence that was plain as day, couldn't have been simpler.
Well, I've run the gamut, the hope of meaningful communication with you is futile. I wonder if Ms. Goodall is engaged?
jimHJJ(..."...this forum is not a commercial venue..."...) |
| re: Posers........Not to nit-pick but ....... | TinHere
Apr 13, 2001 2:31 PM | | aren't we all "posers"? Just asking. Maybe you meant "Posters". |
| re: Posers........Not to nit-pick but ....... | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 12:37 PM | | >>>Maybe you meant "Posters".<<<
Hard to know what he meant. He is just a one shot and run kind of guy. |
| Posers vs Flame Trollers | Rupert
Apr 13, 2001 5:40 PM | | Well, sorry to see you go so soon. It is quite easy to lurk in the background, blast some folks with differing opinions, then run like hell. It's alot tougher, and more rewarding, to share opinions with others who don't agree with you point of view; because you might learn something. I have. So stick around.
As for the sarcasm here, I find it refreshing; no one should take it personally. Better wit and sarcasm than the monolithic "Borg-like" mentality that inhabit some boards. |
| Good point | Mwalsdor@cscc.edu
Apr 13, 2001 8:25 PM | | Personally I'm much more in my element over at AA. As my methodology, system make-up and behavior is more representitive of the majority of the inmates, which is rather diverse as well. But AR is decidedly different. While not here to compare notes on receivers, or other mid-hi gear, which I no experience or bicker with those that oppose my subjective POV. I guess I have accepted the challenge of the outsider trying to fit in. Being an artist, at least the renegade role comes natural to me. While my allegiance - in the audio realm - is bound to my aesthetic sensibilities more so than my cognative reasoning skills or adherence to any scientific methodology, I'm not so arrogant as to believe I'm above learning from anyone.
So I listen to the ubiquitous ranting from the dark side (joke) and try to keep an open mind. In my stay here I've had some encounters I could have just as well done without, and I have had a post or two I have regretted. I didn't come here on a mission, but when I stubbled apon AR I was more puzzled than angry by their "rules of engagement", so I decided to stick around and try to understand more than recruit or fit in. But after clarifying my POV and purpose, I think the truce has been issued, at least in my regard. As you say, much easier just to stick with your own than venture out where you may not be as welcomed.
MikE |
| Good point | dank
Apr 14, 2001 10:10 AM | | Mike,
Your points are well taken. I'm more of a subjectivist myself but it is interesting to learn the POV of the objectivist and some of them really make me think. I'm still not much of a cable person and, to be honest, I get the same digital sound from my NAD C521 or Sony XA20-ES that I got from my former Theta separates or other high end CDP's, but I can't necessarily agree that science explains everything. I still think of audio reproduction as more art than science - but then again I'm no scientist! If I were, who knows? As a result, I can't scoff at the objectivist POV. Believe folks like Mtrycrafts, Eyespy, GCM, etc or not, they all bring up good points and interesting info that I would not have learned had I not been involved in AR. I learned more about the objective POV in one sentence from GCM and, while I didn't agree, I respect him for it. Further, for the person who hinted that Mtry might not be fun at parties, I should say that at my last one, we couldn't get the lampshade off his head! Sorry to say we all assumed he was just DBT'ing the different champagnes :) |
| Uh oh | GCM
Apr 16, 2001 6:27 AM | | Now I'm curious. Which sentence was that? |
| Uh oh | dank
Apr 16, 2001 2:07 PM | | I'll have to paraphrase but you said it was the job of the recording engineer, not the audio gear, to give you the illusion of live music in the home. I said above that I disagreed which is not entirely true, I just think that it's apparently quite a burden to place on engineers since I never seem to get it from them as I do from certain pieces of gear. So perhaps some of my gear is tonally inaccurate. But I'm after musical enjoyment first and fidelity to the source a close second.
The topic was, I believe, accuracy vs musicality. You know - the whole tube vs SS, digital vs vinyl rehash. |
| Uh oh | GCM
Apr 17, 2001 5:22 AM | | Ok, I rememeber that one. Thanks. |
| Can't have one without the other. | Markw*
Apr 17, 2001 6:15 AM | | "It" has to be in the recording in the first place. Without that, no gear can put it back into the music. It may do "something" to artifically sweeten the listening experience, but it cannot add music music was not there originally.
The best gear will not so much remove veils from between the music and you as much as not put any additional ones there.
but, idf someone prefers their music with phasey multi channel manipulations, a lot of even order harmonics or a touch of reverb added after the fact, that's their choice. Even the best steak houses offer steak sauce. But bear in mind that when you add steak sauce you lose the original taste of the steak. |
| Good point | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 12:41 PM | | >>>So I listen to the ubiquitous ranting from the dark side (joke) <<<<
What would that be now?
>>>and try to keep an open mind.<<<
The problem is when it is too open and lets everything in without scrutiny, then none has any merit and are worthless. |
| Let's see a name and address | Norm Strong
Apr 13, 2001 8:04 PM | | If you want to take pot shots at the rest of the forum, the least you can do is identify yourself and provide an e-mail address. As it is, you're nothing but a coward.
BTW, the word is spelled "poseur" |
| re: Posers | Just
Apr 14, 2001 12:51 AM | | I have to agree. This forum is strange. It's impossible to engage in some meaningful dialouge without one of them saying...just by RS. I've never seen so many "experts" recommending zip cord, Wal Mart and tone controls.
If they spend enough time listening to different sources, cables, etc. differences and improvement become quickly obvious. If you view the posts mtrycrfts does'nt even own an audio system and he's the zip cord and tone control spokesperson. |
| re: Posers | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 12:47 PM | | >>>differences and improvement become quickly obvious. <<<<
More speculations, unsupported at that.
>>>It's impossible to engage in some meaningful dialouge <<<<
Most curious. This is your first post and you come to this conclusion? Have you tried? Did you bring anything worthwhile to the table to discuss? I just cannot remember you doing any of this. |
| REAL engineers? | Markw*
Apr 14, 2001 9:10 AM | | Some REAL doctors can have many degrees from many universities and are quacks. A degree does not always confirm one has the correct answer, just the abiility to spew forth selected facts, and ignore others that disagree with you, in any order you choose to make your point, no matter how preposterous it may be.
In other words, simply having the degree will always impress the simple minded, just like big words, ambigous factoids and wondrous visuals sell cables. |
| re: Posers | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 12:32 PM | | >>>Looks to me like there are only a couple REAL Engineers here.<<<<
And who would those be, pray tell us all from your unproven wisdom and authority.
>>>>There is a right answer, <<<
Where is that, please. All are in suspension to await this from you, almighty.
>>>>You are only seeking negatives to support your views. <<<<
I am overwhelmed by your list of citations for the positives. So kind of you to go to all this trouble, on your own, without a request. I just don't know where I will find time and the resources to collect and read all of them. A loan from someone?
>>>Leave it to the REAL Engineers please. <<<<
Are you one , by chance, with that moniker? Or, you could name a few of these real engineers and their work.
>>>>. I will not be back. <<<<
From your contribution, I doubt anyone will miss you.
>>>Learning?<<<
Well, you certainly will not be around to teach us anything, from the sound of it. Maybe you have nothing to teach, after all. |
| re: Posers | MajorDump
Apr 14, 2001 1:47 PM | | Looks like that guy had you pegged. You did exactly what he said you would do. |
| re: Posers | TinHere
Apr 14, 2001 1:57 PM | | Yes, he showed the same reasoning, factuality, and understanding that endears him to others making choices of preference. A reasonable arguement might suggest how or why he should change to accomodate others. |
| Afterthought...... | TinHere
Apr 14, 2001 2:46 PM | | Anyone who finds his input worth less than what they paid for can discard it. |
| re: Posers | MajorDump
Apr 14, 2001 2:54 PM | | I guess what I got out of that guys post is that he wasn't expecting someone to change. He just made an observation. I have not been here long enough to know how true everything he said is. Just happened to notice that particular thing came true. Thats all. Not looking for a fight. |
| re: Posers | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 5:48 PM | | >>>I guess what I got out of that guys post is that he wasn't expecting someone to change. He just made an observation. <<<<<
A gross error in observation, a flawed conclusion based on insufficient sampling. A great example of peculating, more like it. He offered nothing to change for. |
| re: Posers | MajorDump
Apr 14, 2001 9:25 PM | | You could be right. Although, sometimes, someone looking from the outside, that is not involved, gets a clearer picture of what is happening, than the ones involved. I guess if it was me he made an observation on, and an unfavorable one at that, I probably would be defensive also. Hey, but if this guy is someone you don't know, never will know, what does it matter anyway. Anything I say, I'm sure you will take it or leave it. What does it matter, right? I think in the future, I will try to stay out of the US vs. Them debates, because I really don't feel my opinion would matter either way from what I can see here anyway. Which is fine with me. I am more into listening to music that fighting over it. Gee that sounds funny to me, fighting over music. Now thats a noble thing. |
| re: Posers | MajorDump
Apr 15, 2001 7:51 AM | | Maybe I missed something, what does peculating have to do with observation? Unless it was a mistype and you meant speculating. |
| re: Posers | TinHere
Apr 15, 2001 8:22 AM | | Mistypes are not abided......Pounce. |
| re: Posers | Eyespy
Apr 15, 2001 8:35 AM | | That's pure peculation on your part, isn't it? |
| re: Posers | TinHere
Apr 15, 2001 8:07 AM | | "A great example of peculating, more like it." If you are going to say someone embezzeled be ready to prove it. :) |
| re: Posers | mtrycrafts
Apr 15, 2001 12:24 PM | | You want me to prove everything? :-) |
| re: Posers | TinHere
Apr 15, 2001 12:25 PM | | Only if it matters. :) |
| re: Posers | TinHere
Apr 14, 2001 6:09 PM | | I guess the irony I saw was the statement of the obvious. Many have attacked mtrycraft and yet he remains steadfast to the task at hand. Thinking that he would be changed by that shows you are new and thinking he had been baited, or you knew him and just felt like posting as I did. You will see that "particular thing" is not inconsistent with this forum and is pretty much a given. There is often debate here and he sure do know how. Post something that you can't support and you can be pretty certain someone will take issue. It's fun and everyone either goes, or goes unscathed. But c'mon with a moniker like MajorDump who isn't gonna figure you're full of it. :) I would usually have left just the smile but as you are new to this I will add I'm not looking for a fight either, but expect to see some and notice how "fairly" most of them are fought to the chagrin of some. |
| re: Posers | MajorDump
Apr 14, 2001 8:53 PM | | My moniker is an alias from my online game playing. Im probably no more full of it than anyone else though. I can't imagine fighting over cables and tweaks. Audio is for pleasure, but is of no importance if you think about it. Can't imagine how they would act over real issues. Notice that people throw out bait to try to start things? Or get childish with some responses? IF you are going to have discussion, sure there are going to be different views, but trying to piss eachother off is non productive. Do these people have a life? Im serious. |
| Since you asked, | TinHere
Apr 14, 2001 11:13 PM | | Yes, and they live it to an art with science on this board. You might find other boards to be less what you seem to feel is redundant and combative. Without the debate there would only be one side represented to all the people asking questions. I think if the "principals" who are mostly involved were to switch sides the level of debate would not change. It simply boils down to a side that hears what it claims and a side that wants to see proof of that. For the most part one side is advising any cable you select is fine, if that is your preference, but show me the proof it sounds better. The other side is saying you don't have to see it I hear it. If the answer were apparent to all there would be no debate and a winner would be declared. The person coming here for advice would be given no choices except price and color, or on the other hand "the best cable" at any price. The "newbie" might feel he was missing the boat by not getting the most expensive cables. Now he is given a choice based on the arguements presented. It maintains a balance and allows for self-determination. Neither side is ready to cede the issue yet, so the debate continues. What seems old to some is always new to someone just arriving and the marvel I see is the limitless ingenuity the supporters of both sides show, when they really only have one thing to say. Don't feel sorry for them, nobody really lives here, there are no prisoners, they do have lives, and they have chosen to do what they do here. Be a part or be apart, it's likely to go on. Now I'm getting outta here before I have to support what I said. My apologies to the regulars for any misreprsentations, misconceptions, or faulty reasoning, but he did ask what I thought. |
| Since you asked, | MajorDump
Apr 15, 2001 6:42 AM | | I guess if I were coming here for advise, getting two opinions, then watching a big debate over it. I would still have to decide for myself. Not sure how helpful it would be, unless I were a complete rookie at it. And even then it may only confuse a rookie. In heated debates such as going on here, each side will only give advise that supports their views. Which is natural. So if only one side responds, they only have one option. But in my opinion, maybe steering someone in the right direction, with no bias to either view, will help them on the path to learning for themselves. Then leave the debating to threads that do not start out with someone asking for advise.
I hope you were only joking at the end of your response, when you apolgized for saying what you think. If not, what a shame that would be. Is Castro the moderator? LOL! |
| Since you asked, | HTguy
Apr 15, 2001 7:12 AM | | MD, you do have to be very careful what you say here, because people like to set traps and lay in wait. Like you said in an earlier post, there are loaded questions and what not hoping to lure people into a trap. You just need to be sure to state that everyting you say is an opinion, or you will need to write a notorized autobiography. I too feel bad for any rookie stumbling here for advice, mine would be to try things for themselves and try to develop their own opinion, because listening to opinions here will only confuse you. Especially when some consider their opinions fact because they read anothers opinion in a book. Rookies, take everything you read here, including my opinion, with a major grain of salt. Unfortunatly you will have to learn from your own experiences, or you'll not learn at all. |
| Since you asked, | mtrycrafts
Apr 15, 2001 12:41 PM | | >>>mine would be to try things for themselves and try to develop their own opinion, <<<
Yes, fine and dandy. But, you offer no clue how to do this, how to avoid some of the human pitfalls that have been well established and are defacto, like human bias, and placebo. Why do you leave this major stumbling block untouched? Afraid that knowing the pitfalls and acting accordingly may not produce and support your beliefs? No, it is not intuitive to know about any of this and you only aggravate the experience, not help it. |
| Since you asked, | HTguy
Apr 15, 2001 1:05 PM | | This world has a place for everything, even your hated placebo. If placebo cured a family members serious illness, would you still hate it so much? The mind is a wonderful thing, relax and try to use it. |
| Since you asked, | TinHere
Apr 15, 2001 7:57 AM | | "Then leave the debating to threads that do not start out with someone asking for advise." .........MD, What answer should they be given? And welcome to the fray.
"I hope you were only joking at the end of your response, when you apolgized for saying what you think. If not, what a shame that would be.".......It's a tough crowd here, and as I responded with an opinion [not a claim of fact] it was my way of showing respect to the participants who do engage in debate. They can take a phrase, a word, or a nuance, and create doubt in the minds of the otherwise convinced. They offer perspectives and alternatives to the unsure. Both sides are right. They are convincing in their arguments, they make their "own choices" based on their preferences, and allow others to do the same. Try thinking of this as the chicken and the egg forum. Which came first? And so it goes. |
| Since you asked, | mtrycrafts
Apr 15, 2001 12:30 PM | | Very well stated, on both of your posts. No apologies needed. Thanks. |
| Since you asked, | TinHere
Apr 15, 2001 12:36 PM | | Phew....Thank you. I admire your consistency. |
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| Wire for mtrycrafts....You have doubts? You're on the fence?......... | TinHere
Apr 15, 2001 4:40 PM | | Posts need more shock value? Tired of whispering on-line? YOU MUST BUY THIS....Just add "HYPE" to "heat" in my promise.... "Learn how to turn the "heat" back on them"..... and only $399 in advance, for your "personalized" program to ensure proper credit has been established. My personal promise to you.
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Any claims concerning any "personalized program" will be settled soley at the descretion of the offerer with no implied intents or conditions. Personalized programs are not limited to duplication nor do they imply individuality or content. The offerer assumes no responsibility whatsoever or in fact, including and not limited to proper use of any product distributed or not. YOU CAN BE SURE IF YOU BUY THIS. |
| Wire for mtrycrafts....You have doubts? You're on the fence?......... | mtrycrafts
Apr 16, 2001 8:43 PM | | Oh, this is too much. I will send you the doctor's bills for all the black and blue he treated, ROTFLOL :-) |
| Wire for mtrycrafts....You have doubts? You're on the fence?......... | TinHere
Apr 16, 2001 11:24 PM | | "I will send you the doctor's bills for all the black and blue he treated".........Reread.. I assumed no responsiblity for the alledged changes you claim. If for any reason I were to be held responsible I would require the proof of said changes before I paid your bills. Good day sir. :) |
| Wire for mtrycrafts....You have doubts? You're on the fence?......... | Eyespy
Apr 16, 2001 11:54 PM | | It is always preferable to read the fine print in advance of signing the contract. |
| Wire for mtrycrafts....You have doubts? You're on the fence?......... | mtrycrafts
Apr 17, 2001 9:59 PM | | Oh, sucks, I thought there was a free ride:-) |
| re: Posers | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 5:40 PM | | He must be psychic then. Randi is ready to give away his $1 Mil that is burning a hole in his pocket. |
| Same stuff, different day | GCM
Apr 16, 2001 6:00 AM | | Not capable of putting together a well-reasoned argument to support his position he resorts to insults. Oh well, we'll try to muddle through without you somehow. |
| re: Posers | minoan
Apr 16, 2001 10:50 AM | | An angry chump with too much time on his hands.
-Minoan |
| WOW | mtrycrafts
Apr 16, 2001 8:47 PM | | a 1035+ readers, might be a record here, but who is counting. |
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