|   Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Dr. Nicholas Yardy
Apr 14, 2001 5:56 AM | | I am requesting some input regarding a cabling choice between my McCormack DNA .5 and Martin Logan Aries i's (bi-wire). I understand that the mix of a conventional driver and an electrostatic pannel places a unique load upon an amplifier and cable. I am curious as to anyones experiences with selecting a cable for Martin Logan speakers.
Thank you in advance,
Nicholas |
| I USE IXOS WITH MY SENARIOS | RIC HARD
Apr 14, 2001 6:37 AM | | THEY WORK GREAT
LOOK AT IXOSCABLE.COM |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 12:12 PM | | A 12ga speaker wire will do you well. No special brand is required. Like medicine, if you are an MD type, audio is full of mythology and unproven alternatives. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Just
Apr 14, 2001 12:40 PM | | Don't forget to recommend the tone controls to go with the zip cord you are recommending. |
| mtry shops at swap meets!!!! | paul
Apr 14, 2001 2:01 PM | | It is all the same..
he wears shoes from wal-mart(all the same)
he drives a kia(all the same)
he is an idiot on his own.... |
| "he is an idiot on his own...." | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 5:32 PM | | I am impressed. Hope it didn't over task your skills. |
| "he is an idiot on his own...." | ChrisR
Apr 18, 2001 5:42 PM | | oh no don't worry... writing two lines about someone who spends years on the same website replying the same unresearched answers to questions is not hard. believe me. |
| "he is an idiot on his own...." | mtrycrafts
Apr 20, 2001 12:34 PM | | I have been looking for my puppy, glad you showed up. Where have you been hiding.
I see you brought your research along to share with everyone. Must have been written in invisible ink, right? |
| "he is an idiot on his own...." | ChrisR
Apr 23, 2001 8:57 PM | | right |
| "he is an idiot on his own.... " ------part II | Eyespy
Apr 14, 2001 9:51 PM | | You realize you are violating the posting policy as set forth by the administrators of this site? Remember....it's ok to disagree, but flames and intentional insults are not allowed. Now that there is no question that you know this, you might want to consider posting accordingly in the future. |
| just paul.. .two idiots with each others support. | observer
Apr 16, 2001 7:00 AM | | kind of like matching jock straps. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | mtrycrafts
Apr 14, 2001 5:33 PM | | Did he ask for such a recommendation, genious? |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Just
Apr 15, 2001 3:58 AM | | No, but you often say "look to your tone controls" and this time you did not.
Seriously though, I know it's the wrong forum but do you have any experience with out bord DACs? I am looking for one. Are sonic difference significant from one make to another? There seems to be a huge variation in price. I see the DAC debate somewhat like the cable debate. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | mtrycrafts
Apr 15, 2001 12:18 PM | | Why do I need a personal on hands experience? Do I really need to consult a psychic, or homeopathic medicines to know or credible sources will suffice?
Yes, the outboard DAC is in the same way as the cable debate. It doesn't take money to create a good one but it takes marketing skill to sell expensive ones.
As for the tone controls, yes, they offere more change than the speaker cables ever hope to accomplish, and the tone control effect is audible which you cannot say for the speaker wires. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | HTguy
Apr 15, 2001 12:59 PM | | Why do I need personal on hands experience? Maybe because it means more than something written in a book. In my life experiences, I've found out not everything written in books is true. All it is, is the best of man's knowledge at any given moment in time. Any latest engineering or scientific study done today will be just as antiquated 200 years from now as a scientific study 200 years ago looks today. These books are todays brightest engineers and scientist current beliefs, but that doesn't mean they won't look like neanderthal views in the future. Personal hands on experience allows you to make your own decision, maybe you don't agree with some experts. There are some for every belief, if you read nothing but literature from Audioquest, does this mean you don't need personal experience? Just listen to Audioquest? As I've argued with you before, I think personal experienc to mean more than what I read and you the opposite. It takes all sorts. My wife likes to believe that people who write books know how to raise children. While I read these books I don't agree with them right down the line. I'm able to formulate my own experiences as to what works best for my family. Some need books to tell them how to live their lives, others have a strong enough mind of their own they can make their own decisions. BTW many people who write child-raising books have no children. Kinda like many who write audio books have no audio experience. I take the word of people with no personal experience with a grain of salt. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Just
Apr 15, 2001 2:44 PM | | Serious question? What in your opinion is a reasonable amount to spend on a DAC? I certainly am not interested in spending thousands (or maybe even hundreds if not needed) but since I have a transport I want to continue with outboard DAC. Has there been any work in ABX testing of DACs as far as you know? |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | HTguy
Apr 16, 2001 4:01 AM | | I can't tell you how much to spend, nor should anyone else. Only you know your limit and the value you place on music. That said I personally believe that buying an older used unit the way to go. I can get a $2500 dac for $500, it's a steal. I know the newer ones have superior digital chips, but for $500 you're getting a cheap analog section. I think the analog section of the dac is most overlooked, I would take the older dac with the high level analog and balanced outputs over the newer one. Again this is my opinion, I'm sure many will disagree. As for ABX testing, I'm not familiar with any. I would take audio rags listening impressions with a grain of salt as well. You don't know th reviewers taste in music, his values or his agenda. You probably haven't heard his other componants or his room. So his opinion should mean no more than anyone else. I hope this helped. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Just
Apr 16, 2001 4:45 AM | | I am looking to replace a 10 year old DAC. I have not looked into new DACs for a long time and don't have many ideas. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | HTguy
Apr 16, 2001 11:31 AM | | What kind of DAC do you currently have? |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Just
Apr 17, 2001 12:20 PM | | Thanks for answering my post. I am getting a little tired of the cable debate. Anyway, back to the DAC.
It's one of the original D2A without the Mk II upgrade. I did however get the upgraded IPS. I understand from Mondialdesigns that their is no buffer section in my DAC - I don't know what that means.
I have never compared it directly to other DACs but I have read several posts where others believe that a modern DAC would significantly improve the sound.
Compared to a CDP which I bowrowed from my other system, the DAC seems to lack the spatial depth and stage focus. I am hoping that these would be improved with a new DAC. I run it with a 5 year old TL2 transport.
Do you have any opinions or suggestions. What sound quality improvements do you believe I can expect. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | HTguy
Apr 17, 2001 1:53 PM | | I buy most of my stuff used and later sell when I upgrade. I hate to spend much on digital, since it depreciates much quicker than any other format. I also believe the analog section to be more important than the digital section. That said your dac would only fetch $100-$150 or so on the used market (original Aragon D2A). IMO you could pick up a used Theta (III?) for about $700 or a Sonic Frontiers SFD1 mk II for $600. These are just 2 examples of dac's that sold a couple years ago for $2500+ . The SF has a tubed buffer stage and I think the Theta has balanced outputs. I've listened to the newer Bel Canto and MSB processors, but I like the older ones better. The MSB Platinum is excellent, but like $3k. The cheaper newer ones have the cheaper analog sections. I recently purchased a Proceed PDT3/Sonic Frontiers Ultrajitterbug/ Proceed PDP3 combo for $875 ($5700 new), what a steal. This combo to me beats anything new or used under $1k, The Proceed transport is awesome and with the SF and Proceed dac I run balanced from transport to preamp. I highly recommend a used older dac with balanced output and top quality analog over newer digital chips with cheaper analog stages. That's my $0.02, good luck. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | mtrycrafts
Apr 16, 2001 8:36 PM | | I wouldn't spend anything on an external DAC, that simple. If a %80 RCA CD player can sound the same as ones costing $1000s, in a DBT, there is not question.
The Audio Critic would be a good source on your DBT of DACs. Doesn't mean "ALL" DACs are the same, just that you do need a DBT to find out. Just not worth it. Buy more music. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | ChrisR
Apr 17, 2001 7:41 PM | | just an opinion without facts. How many more years are you gonna be on this web site telling the same story? |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Rockwell
Apr 18, 2001 3:10 PM | | "just an opinion without facts. "
You shouldn't have a problem then. |
| re: Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | ChrisR
Apr 18, 2001 5:44 PM | | nope. AH AH AH AH! |
| "opinion without facts" | mtrycrafts
Apr 20, 2001 12:37 PM | | Yes, you seem to have a few, don't you, puppy. |
| Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Norm Strong
Apr 16, 2001 8:18 PM | | If your speakers are that particular about the cable used to connect them, I would think they'd be doubly particular about the amplifier.
I'd demand that Martin Logan tell you which amps and which cables to use with their speakers. After all, they must know! |
| Martin Logan's and Cable choice. | Rockwell
Apr 16, 2001 9:56 PM | | Yes, must be difficult to find equipment when your speakers are choosey ...LOL |
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