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|   Newbie, where should I look to learn basics? | Hammy211
Nov 23, 2001 1:46 AM | | I used to think I knew a little about this stuff, but I find that I know less and less every day. Are there any mags or books that offer simple explanation of the digital analog world? Guy at BB sold me an optical cable, and now I am starting to wonder if that's what I should be using. The DVD model under mine doesn't have the 5.1 inputs, so should I be using those? Or the coax. Thinking of getting PVR501 dish reciever. Does it make sense to use a particular audio connection for it. Thanks for your help. |
| Here's a link | skippy
Nov 23, 2001 7:47 AM | | There's some cable stuff here, but there's a lot more.
http://sound.westhost.com/articles.htm
Not sure if it's what you're looking for. It's a good read none the less. |
| re: Newbie, where should I look to learn basics? | FLZapped
Nov 23, 2001 6:36 PM | | This should help:
http://bwccat.belden.com/Bimages/techbody.htm#fiber |
| re: Newbie, where should I look to learn basics? | Haoleb
Nov 24, 2001 9:41 PM | | A Good place to get some knowledge about it all is www.stereo411.com they have a great FAQ section that can awnser alot of questions. on anything audio |
| No sir - no sir - no sir | woodman
Nov 25, 2001 7:09 PM | | the link provided is a veritable fountain of misleading information - sure to further confuse the unwary newbie going there seeking info.
The equipment directory is a case in point. I clicked on DVD players to see what resided there. What I found were lists of a given manufacturers most expensive products only - no mention of any "affordable" models! Here's a sample:
Pioneer: 5 models ranging from $525 to $1200
Toshiba: 3 models ranging from $800 to $1500
Panasonic: 4 models ranging from $600 to $3000
The FAQ discussing wire does contain some truths, but also displays the author's lack of real knowledge when discussing D-I-Y cables. He says that some raw cables have a foil ground shield which is difficult to solder! HELLO!!!!! The foil shield on cables cannot be soldered at all ... it's aluminum foil fer crissakes! This tends to make whatever else is said - suspect, IMO.
woodman |
| re: Newbie, where should I look to learn basics? | Jon Risch
Nov 25, 2001 10:19 AM | | There are several sites that provide wiring diagrams for various system connections, try some of the Home Theater sites.
Have you tried looking at the Owner's Manual that came with the gear? I know these can be confusing, especially the ones written in Japenglish, but often the diagram's will tell the whole story, just ignore the text at first.
For more on audio cables quality and other general issues, see:
http://www.AudioAsylum.com/audio/cables/messages/27322.html
Audio cable questions are also addressed at this site:
http://www.AudioAsylum.com/audio/cables/bbs.html
Jon Risch |
| Only thing you'll find there is science fiction.(nt) | FLZapped
Nov 25, 2001 11:59 AM | | |
| Only thing you'll find there is science fiction.(nt) | woodman
Nov 25, 2001 6:25 PM | | Amen. |
| Only thing you'll find there is science fiction.(nt) | mtrycrafts
Nov 25, 2001 10:04 PM | | And, it is not even good sci fi. |
| Totally Unsupported Claim Motivated by Personal Vendetta | Jon Risch
Nov 25, 2001 11:01 PM | | You have never really addressed any of your claims that what I post is wrong, incorrect, not based on physics or science, etc.
You have merely said that it was so, because you said so.
Some obtuse nonsense about non-reason this, and BS that, but never any hard evidence, citations, or reference that SHOW what I state is wrong, or incorrect, or against science or physics.
This could be due to the personal vendetta you have going over me, or it could be your normal modus operandi for putting down technical arguments, but either way, you have not shown this statement or many like it, to be anything but personal vengance and opinion.
Your own proclivity to post about technical matter si not exactly a solid record, your mistakes in RF, high end audio, and other audio related topics are documeted by your own posts here.
See:
<a href="/crforum?14@@.eec26aa/39">FLZapped "Hey Jon Risch....why not just ignore Mtry?" 9/19/01 4:32am</a>
and
<a href="/crforum?14@@.eec26aa/54">Jon Risch "Hey Jon Risch....why not just ignore Mtry?" 9/22/01 11:40am</a>
and then in a lie about me at:
<a href="/crforum?14@@.eec26aa/61">Jon Risch "Hey Jon Risch....why not just ignore Mtry?" 9/23/01 10:57am</a>
<a href="/crforum?14@@.eec2a21/64">Jon Risch "The cable debate - what's the real deal?" 9/25/01 7:30pm</a>
Who is it that posts science fiction? Look in the mirror.
Jon Risch |
| Totally Unsupported Claim Motivated by Personal Vendetta | FLZapped
Nov 26, 2001 8:31 AM | | Jon, you are so funny, you keep saying I am in error, when those posts clearly point out your own mistakes.
You have yet to sucessfully refute anything I said. Let's see, this is the third, maybe fourth time I have asked you to prove me wrong. The math will tell the truth. So again, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
-Bruce |
| That's odd | RGA
Nov 26, 2001 7:52 PM | | It's the same AES supported(if that meant word one)papers listed by what you believe.??? I'm puzzled that only certain AES papers are relavent? |
| That's odd | mtrycrafts
Nov 27, 2001 12:37 AM | | Jon has a conference paper, what he deliverd as a presentation, not reviewed. AES even has a disclaimer on those papers. You should read them, after all these times. |
| Sorry | RGA
Nov 27, 2001 5:59 PM | | but none of their papers are available to me...I don't care enough about the triviality of audio issues to actually pay for them...his references were citing papers done by others from what it looked like though. |
| That's odd | skippy
Nov 28, 2001 7:20 AM | | Any AES member is allowed to present papers. Only respected engineers who advance the SOTA are invited to present. Mr. Risch has never been invited. |
| That's a Lot of Spin BS | Jon Risch
Nov 28, 2001 5:03 PM | | I would say that you are seriously misinformed.
AES conferences often have twice the papers submitted than there are slots to present them. Not just any AES member (which membership usually requires an engineer in good standing to become one and maintain membership) can walk in off the street and make a presentation.
The papers are submitted to a review board that decides who gets to present, and who does not.
I have presented three papers at AES conferences. That means that three times, my submitted presentation was evaluated, given consideration, and the decision made to choose my presentation over that of many others, some of which did NOT get to present theirs, due to the limited number of presentation slots.
Yes there are engineers who get asked to present, I would say that this might represent 5% or less on average of the total presentations at any given AES conference.
Are you implying that the other 95% of the presentations are worthless? What a bunch of BS!
Jon Risch |
| That's a Lot of Spin BS | skippy
Nov 29, 2001 1:41 PM | | <b>I would say that you are seriously misinformed.</b>
As you noted, what I said was true.
<b>AES conferences often have twice the papers submitted than there are slots to present them.</b>
So, you're saying 50% or more of the papers submitted get presented. I agree.
<b>Yes there are engineers who get asked to present, I would say that this might represent 5% or less on average of the total presentations at any given AES conference.</b>
5% is a guesstimate, but you're probably close. I agree here too.
<b>Are you implying that the other 95% of the presentations are worthless?</b>
I'm implying that presenting a paper at an AES conference does not equal an AES endorsment.
<b>What a bunch of BS!</b>
I can smell it too, but it's not coming from me. |
| And yes | mtrycrafts
Nov 27, 2001 12:39 AM | | Some conference papers are more credible than others. |
| Who said anything about AES papers?(nt) | FLZapped
Nov 27, 2001 2:39 PM | | |
| Who said anything about AES papers?(nt) | RGA
Nov 27, 2001 6:01 PM | | You said hi info was science fiction...yet on one of the links provided are several AES papers ... My question then is if his info is science fiction then so must be AES, No? |
| Who said anything about AES papers?(nt) | FLZapped
Nov 28, 2001 5:10 AM | | Anyone can write a paper. The majority of the information has errors and incorrect hypothesis. Just enough truth to make it seem reasonable but all-in-all it is wrong, hence, Science Fiction.
-Bruce |
| And... | FLZapped
Nov 28, 2001 5:11 AM | | You'll probably only get as afar as an introduction as most AES reprints have to be purchased.
-Bruce |
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