|   Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | stringcheesefan
Nov 28, 2001 5:03 PM | | I've got a pair of Dynaudio Audience 52s connected to a Rotel receiver and a Meridian 506 cd player. The back of the Rotel is going to prevent me from using spade connectors. I'm basically looking for something that will be DETAILED since the Dyns are warm speakers. I'm thinking no more than $400/pr. but will buy used. Any suggestions? |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | ckturtle
Nov 28, 2001 6:10 PM | | Do some research on the "Analysis Plus Oval 9's". A visit to the "SoundStage" website will give you a review on it. You will need to request a custom termination however, when ordering, since it does come standard with the spade terminations.
It's between $350 to $400 for a 8 foot pair.
Good luck!
ck |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | FLZapped
Nov 29, 2001 7:21 AM | | Could you please explain what makes them worth a that much?
-Bruce |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | ckturtle
Nov 29, 2001 11:55 AM | | I nor you set the prices in the consumer market; but it is a given that items involving more materials, craftmanship, labor, quality, and/or performance will generally envolve a higher selling price. Obviously, I'd love to pay $49.95 for the complete Mark Levinson system, maybe $9.99 for that Rolex would be good, but unfortunately, it's not gonna happen. If you want more, you going to be paying more. Bummer huh.
The question on this post though, as you know, is in regards to performance as being the intended priority, and realistically no ones going to get the HIGHEST or HIGHER level of performance from the Home Depot and/or Radio Shack wires.
We've all been going round and round on the same issue here, and nothing more. Because of this, we have severly limited ourselves in what could be shared, learned, and discussed here on this site. We're stuck on this one item ONLY and have rarely risen above it.
Humbly,
ck |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | FLZapped
Nov 29, 2001 11:43 PM | | [I nor you set the prices in the consumer market;]
To a point, we do, if something the majority of people find unworthy of the price being asked, they don't pay it. At least if they are prett well educated as to what they are purchasing. Esoteric cables doesn't fit under that category for the most part. That industry is deliberately filled with misleading technobabble. There are those, I do understand before you get all crazy on this point, that purchase for other reasons. But the slick marketing is aimed at the uninformed.
[but it is a given that items involving more materials, craftmanship, labor, quality, and/or performance will generally envolve a higher selling price]
OK, so what is in these cables that make them that much more expensive? Are they hand assembled by an engineer making $60,000/year?
Are they leasing a 100,000 sq ft. space to use only 1000 sq ft and therefore have a really poor manufacturing efficiency because of their overhead. Are the cables made from unobtanium? What? Considering that most companies mark-up about 5 times their direct costs, that would mean a cable set would have to have $60.00 in material and labor costs in order to make a profit(for your $300.00 price tag). Think that really exists? Especially when they probably puchase wire at 10,000 ft/per order and 1000s of connectors at a crack, what do you think they're discount is compared to retail prices on the raw materials?
[The question on this post though, as you know, is in regards to performance as being the intended priority, and realistically no ones going to get the HIGHEST or HIGHER level of performance from the Home Depot and/or Radio Shack wires. ]
So is this just a random opinion, or can you point to a tangible performance differentiation? I mean, have you measured and compared their frequency response differences to 0.05dB? Have you checked to see if they generate noise when biased? How about checked to see if they add distortion to he 4th decimal place? What leads you to this conclusion?
-Bruce |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | mtrycrafts
Nov 30, 2001 9:55 PM | | "and realistically no ones going to get the HIGHEST or HIGHER level of performance from the Home Depot and/or Radio Shack wires. "
Equal performance is sufficient for much less. That is performance.
"we have severly limited ourselves in what could be shared, "
You have. Speak only for yourself. |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | mtrycrafts
Nov 28, 2001 10:19 PM | | "I'm basically looking for something that will be DETAILED since the Dyns are warm speakers. "
Speaker cables of adequate gauge just doesn;t have a sonic signature. The evidence just doesn't support any of the cable nonsense that the alternate audio folks suggest. So, spending your amount is better spent on more music. A 12ga from Home Depot will do you well and buy about 30 CDs to enjoy. |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | Captain Audio
Nov 29, 2001 7:32 AM | | So mtrycrafts, please describe in detail the audio system that you use to garner your evidence. ckturtle's audio system is described in his profile. stringcheesefan gave us his audio system. Where's yours? |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | ibpolish
Nov 29, 2001 8:20 AM | | the onus on proof of difference should never lie upon the individual consumer. doing that only plays into the company's hands and wallets. being a captain you must certainly be aware of techniques such as individual testimonials that are used in advertising. by themselves, they mean nothing. recall that neat infomercial where people put this 'spray' device on the parts of their body that affected them and said they felt better...aches vanished. arthritis pains...bahhh. they never offered any proof but they had testimonials. they were sued by the gov't for false advertising since there wasn't anything at all in those 'injection' devices. i'm sure some people did feel better...mind over matter. where's the proof captain from the manufacturers? don't tell me monster doesn't have deep enough pockets to conduct fair and unbiased tests? as soon as you shift the burden of proof upon the individual consumer reason goes out the window...sorry Captain, this is one division, I don't want to be a part of. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | Captain Audio
Nov 29, 2001 9:19 AM | | So put in for a transfer, I'll approve it. I didn't ask for any proof, just for mtrycrafts to describe, in detail, his audio system. stringcheesefan posted a thread asking for advice on cables, and describes the audio system that he uses. ckturtle made a recommendation and his system is listed in his profile. mtrycrafts comes along(as usual)and says wrong, its all nonsense. So, I just want to know what mtrycrafts uses for an audio system so I can better understand his point of view. What's so hard about that? |
| Ahh! Back from your trip to Uranus I see...(nt) | Resident Loser
Nov 29, 2001 10:16 AM | | |
| YES! And your mother says hello! (nt) | Captain Audio
Nov 29, 2001 10:48 AM | | |
| Quickly, someone get the johnnie-mop, seems to be overflowing... | Resident Loser
Nov 29, 2001 11:29 AM | | ..yet again!! |
| Resident Loser; You're a mean old Fart...Aren't Ya?...(nt) | ckturtle
Nov 29, 2001 11:57 AM | | |
| OOOKay...let's see if I've gotten this right... | Resident Loser
Nov 30, 2001 5:46 AM | | ...I merely welcome back my old friend Corporal Carbuncle after his long and arduous trip from his spawning grounds(which seems only right, given the fact I wished him and his Lost Planet Airheads a hearty "bon voyage" quite some time ago...which I believe to be long before YOUR arrival). In typical fashion, my greeting is answered with one of his typical, well-crafted, 4th grade, schoolyard rejoinders involving some familial put-down, and I am mean?
I would strongly suggest you might refrain from partaking in subject matter of which you have no knowledge(which by all observed indications would seem to exclude you from most, if not all, adult conversation)....unless, of course, you can elucidate and enlighten us re: your theories and practical applications of all things audio...or video...or your big, bouncy-bouncy ball.
jimHJJ(...quite to the contrary of your characterization of me, I pride myself on my equanamity...) |
| OOOKay...let's see if I've gotten this right... | Captain Audio
Nov 30, 2001 6:29 AM | | Loser,
We missed you, Thank God you finally found your missing dictionary and thesaurus. We've missed all those wonderful vocabulary words of yours, along with that knee-slapping humor. I want to know which among us would be mean enough to hide them on you. It's truly a shame that you just can't communicate properly without them. Oh well, our loss. |
| If I might point out the obvious flaw.... | Resident Loser
Nov 30, 2001 7:51 AM | | ...in this underlying premise of yours...if one does not have the knowledge of, or predisposition to avail themselves of the tools, i.e. words and their proper usage, readily available in acquired linguistic skills, the "tools" you mention(dictionaries and thesaurus...or is it thesauri?...)would be useless...you don't just simply "look things up". Is that some sort of revelation to you?
What is truly shameful, is your inability to understand that in this medium, you present yourself and your positions in a very limited way. What you may have to contribute is measured in part( at least by those who have some intelligence) by how well you can express yourself. If my attempts to bolster my audio knowledge and experience with correct grammatical style offends you or anyone else, so be it, the onus does not lie with me.
jimHJJ(...if some "knee-slapping" humor is your requirement, I'd suggest some re-runs of "Hee-Haw"...why you'll just be a pickin' and a grinnin'...saa-loot...) |
| If I might point out the obvious flaw.... | Captain Audio
Nov 30, 2001 10:04 AM | | "What is truly shameful, is your inability to understand that in this medium, you present yourself and your positions in a very limited way."
That's funny, I don't remember presenting any position at all. I only asked a question of another person on this forum. That's when you chimed in.
"What you may have to contribute is measured in part(at least by those who have some intelligence)by how well you can express yourself."
Does this include contributing expressions such as:
"Ahh! Back from your trip to Uranus I see...(nt)"
or
"Quickly, someone get the johnnie-mop, seems to be overflowing..."
..yet again!!"
They're wonderful, we all thank you. Further, when you said,"at least by those who have some intelligence", I noticed you didn't include yourself.
"If my attempts to bolster my audio knowledge and experience with correct grammatical style offends you or anyone else, so be it, the onus does not lie with me."
The onus of what? The onus of your knowledge, the onus of your experience? Who cares? In my opinion,it seems you put the onus on yourself. To me, it looks like your trying to prove your intelligence to this forum, or whoever, with your "grammatical style" or "linguistic skills". Fine. So what, that's you. But then you make posts like the ones above with attempts at some pretty pathetic humor. Trust me, it's pathetic. If you don't believe me, take a vote. So now who, and I mean those that frequent this forum, is going to take you seriously? And this is where your ego kicks in. In my opinion, you don't care! You can say whatever you want, to whoever you want to, and never be held accountable, never! And for you that's perfect. Because now you can stroke your ego all day, everyday. 24/7 But do us all a favor, lose the "tools of comicality", or the "tools of wittiness", or whatever you want to call them because they're dull. |
| Now, lessee heah.... | Resident Loser
Nov 30, 2001 11:02 AM | | ....you respond to my answer to the turtle and have the gall to make a comment on my "chiming" in...all I did was welcome you back after a long absence...I mean you were gone weren't you? Or were you just lurking and/or using multiple pseudonyms? Or perhaps you aren't the one and original Captain Audio? Of course, if that is the case, my apologies...if not...seems as though your reading comprehension and abilities to connect related facets within sentences and contextually have not at all improved since our previous exchanges...hmmm, that would be an odd coincidence...I mean to have the same developmental problems as the last user of that name...maybe it's like the Hope diamond or King Tuts' tomb...the curse of the moniker...
jimHJJ(...hmmm, 'tis a wet day...) |
| Your overly sarcastic wit is so impressive....(nt) | ckturtle
Nov 30, 2001 12:06 PM | | |
| Now, lessee heah.... | Captain Audio
Nov 30, 2001 1:42 PM | | "Or perhaps you aren't the one and original Captain Audio? Of course, if that is the case, my apologies"
You pathetic loser, why are you apologizing to the person who called you immature, egocentric & humorless. As for being the original, I am. I was here when you picked your current screenname, I think it was me who penned it for you. And no, I haven't used other screennames, I just come back from time to time. But my time is spent reading and doing. My ego doesn't have me sitting at this forum day-in and day-out trying to prove something. And if I have questions regarding anything audio, this "cabal of clowns"(remember that thread?) would be the last place I would ask.
"seems as though your reading comprehension and abilities to connect related facets within sentences and contextually have not at all improved since our previous exchanges...hmmm, that would be an odd coincidence...I mean to have the same developmental problems as the last user of that name...maybe it's like the Hope diamond or King Tuts' tomb...the curse of the moniker..."
Do you ever read anything you write? |
| Do you ever understand anything you read?...(nt) | Resident Loser
Dec 3, 2001 6:06 AM | | |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | ibpolish
Nov 29, 2001 11:09 AM | | i don't know mtry but his system is irrelevant. it may well be that he has none but that by no means renders what he states (ok, sometimes it is quite blunt) as meaningless. after all, were it to be that he had spent 250K on his system one could then always say his hearing is suspect and lacks sufficient upper frequency sensitivity. by analogy, one does not need to have owned a Chevy Vega to know that its engine had some severe issues. also one does not need an electron microscope to call into question or debate a researcher's findings or assertations.
what we ALL should be doing, call them subjectivists or objectivsts, the believers and non believers, the yea-sayers and nay-sayers, is as a group direct our questions to the MANUFACTURERS (and that is a kind term) and ask them for their proof.
we shouldn't accept the reply "our web site contains numerous testimonials". no, no, no! we need to get past that first person who answers our questions...our emails. We need to keep asking and emailing. And when we're given fluff, send that email back and ask for clarification. We need to get past that PR person and to the researcher's if possible. We need to ask what sort of research they've done or if not done, what they've based their designs on such as previously published research.
mtry may well be quadropalegic and types with the aid of a monkey. steven hawkings, a notable theoretical physicist is disabled but this has not hindered him from furthering mankind's insight into the universe we live in. Hawkings can't verify any of his ideas by himself. so what?
I urge all those who read in this forum to use their pc's and contact some of those outfits selling cables and ask for proof. don't accept the comeback that its been reviewed in this magazine, or we have a white paper...dig...and when you've gone as far as you can go on and publish your email correspondence here...leave out your email address. let's see what happens. to that end, when time permits, i will post correspondence I had with nbs cables...that was fun. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | eliot
Nov 29, 2001 11:31 AM | | ibpolish,
Everything you say makes sense. A person may question anything audio,even if he doesn't own a music playback system. (Mtry seems to rely on the literature( or lack of it) to make many of his points.) Still, to the extent that this is a forum for audiophiles and the like, we assume that most of us have some kind of a system ,hopefully a fairly good one, which is to say one capable of revealing subtle differences, and listen to it regularly. And the general idea is to report on first-hand experiences, which presumably influences our viewpoints. Instead of saying, "I don't believe you; you can't prove it", it would be more interesting and more in the spirit of this place to say something like," I tried it on such-and-such a system, but I can't hear a difference". |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | Musika
Nov 29, 2001 1:19 PM | | Eliot, you are brilliant. Simply brilliant. Maybe they'll listen to and understand you; they could care less about my similar views... |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | GCM
Nov 29, 2001 1:25 PM | | The problem with relying on first hand anecdotal evidence is that it is demonstratably unreliable. |
| | ckturtle
Nov 29, 2001 2:28 PM | | Hypothetically speaking, the next time you come back from a vacation with your family and say "Boy we sure did have a good time, as a family on this trip" . I guess we could all say in return; "NO you didn't, and we don't believe you, because you don't have enough demonstratably, reliable evidence on it" .
I'm sure that'll go across real well. What would be your families reactions?
ck |
| Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | mtrycrafts
Nov 29, 2001 10:55 PM | | Boy, you sure know what can be tested and what cannot, right?
Try some better examples. This is as bad, actually worse, than the car comparisons many try to use. |
| Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | ckturtle
Nov 30, 2001 11:32 AM | | Mtry,
I'm leaving Hawaii to take the kids to Disney World, in a few days. They're growing up and leaving the house already. So before its too late we gonna go once more. I know this was off the subject but still, see you in a couple of weeks.
I saw a video last night titled "The Grinch that stole Christmas" with Jim Cary. I did get a kick from the scenes of him in his home, cave, (when the little girl pays a visit to him) It got me saying to myself that it reminds me of Mtry. The thought of course was only in innocence and humor.
Take care,
ck |
| Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | mtrycrafts
Nov 30, 2001 10:00 PM | | "I'm leaving Hawaii to take the kids to Disney World, in a few days. They're growing up and leaving the house already. So before its too late we gonna go once more. I know this was off the subject but still, see you in a couple of weeks. "
Please, enjoy it immensly. I mean it sincerely. I have enjoyed that place. I don't think I would the very long flight.
"It got me saying to myself that it reminds me of Mtry. "
:-) |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | mtrycrafts
Nov 29, 2001 10:52 PM | | "hopefully a fairly good one, which is to say one capable of revealing subtle differences"
Well, that is irrelevant if it is below the JND, right.
"And the general idea is to report on first-hand experiences, "
That is what those poor souls have done when they experienced alien abduction too. There you have first hand experience. Or, the ones who saw Yuri bend the spoons. Could not have been a trick, right, saw it with my own eyes on a recent show. How was that possible? Why couldn't he do it on that old clip from Johnny Carson? Just as the 'golden ear' looses his tough in a DBT. Interesting. So much for first hand, unreliable experiences.
"," I tried it on such-and-such a system, but I can't hear a difference"."
And then the excuses start flying, right? Nope, the burden is on the claimant of a positive outcome. |
| Time for me to inject a comment | Norm Strong
Nov 30, 2001 1:41 PM | | In the spirit of cooperation, I will report on my actual experiences with speaker wire.
My speakers are connected up with generic #12 speaker wire. I also tried #18 wire, which is 1/4 the size. If I connect my speakers up with 40' of this smaller #18 wire, and then suddenly parallel it with the #12 wire, I can barely tell the difference. Most certainly, I could walk into the room, and I surely could not tell you whether the #18 or the #12 was connected. The differences between the 2 wires are below the amount needed to rise to the level of consciousness. That does not mean you should opt for #18; it definitely has an effect on the peak power output of your amplifier. But if you expect to be able to hear a difference, you're kidding yourself.
I also tried bi-wiring on 3 different speakers, including a Vandersteen something or other. I chose that speaker because it was available and because Mr. Vandersteen is very positive about the value of bi-wiring. The other two speakers were made by Boston Acoustics and B&W. The wires tested were a pair of #12 wires 40' long, a pair of #18 the same length, and a pair of #24 telephone wires 33' long.
There was no audible difference whatsoever in the case of the #12 or #18. This is in spite of the fact that the changover was instantaneous. There was a very slight change in level using the #24 wire, and it favored mono-wiring, which is what I would have guessed.
Some people have asked why I chose a length of 40'. Because that was the length of the coils of #12 that I had available to me.
So there you are. My personal experience with speaker wires. |
| Time for me to inject a comment | eliot
Dec 6, 2001 9:42 AM | | Norm,
And I find your experience interesting, useful, and completely in the spirit of this forum. You don't have to report in a way that necessarily bolsters some particular viewpoint. A question that comes to mind is: did you ever try any of the really expensive stuff? How about any DIY designs? Were differences, if any, also just barely perceptable? I've been fooling around with thin, pure silver wire threaded through Teflon spaghetti tubing ,and then braided, for interconnects. My wife, who has better hearing than I do, claims, in blind tests( but not DBT)that she hears midrange piano as "less muddy" and "with greater detail" than what she hears using some Radio Shack wire . |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | Captain Audio
Nov 29, 2001 11:46 AM | | I'm not interested in what cable manufacturers say or don't say. I build my own speaker cables and interconnects. I'm just interested in what mtrycrafts uses for an audio system so I can better understand why he thinks there aren't any differences between cables. That's all. I just want to know what he uses for an audio system. Plain and simple. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | mtrycrafts
Nov 29, 2001 10:46 PM | | "why he thinks there aren't any differences between cables. "
Think? No, I know, there is just no evidence for it. And, your testimonial and unsupported claim ain't it. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | Captain Audio
Nov 30, 2001 5:56 AM | | Where in this thread did I claim anything, mtrycrafts? Your the one who's made the claims. All I asked for was for you to describe your audio system, in detail, so I can better understand your POV. Period. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | mtrycrafts
Nov 30, 2001 10:05 PM | | If you didn't believe in audible cable differences, you would not have asked. So, you did in essence made a claim and with your DIY. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | eliot
Dec 6, 2001 10:41 AM | | Mtry,
Still,it's a fair question. We want to know what shapes YOUR opinion (other than lack of "proof" by OTHERS.) Our Secretary of Defense, the other day, said something like, "Lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack..." ( By the way,'proof' is the wrong word; it can never be proof unless you're working in a formal logical system-- only a convincing demonstration.) I'm sure you know about inner-directed and outer-directed thinking: you appear very outer-directed. What is your PERSONAL experience? If you're listening on some mid-fi equipment,it may not have sufficient resolution to bring out subtle differences. For all you know,you may experience a kind of epiphany if you compare wire on a really superb system. I have to confess that I, personnaly,have never been bowled over by wire; I expect at most small differences. But, for what it's worth, the improvement when I switched from my Mac 6200 to my Fourier Triomphe OTL amplifier was absolutely stunning! I'll take the $1000 bet on this one! I understand that lack of differences in components is not your point; but lots of ignorant people will shout from the rooftops that only transducers (ie. speakers,cartridgers,etc.) matter, that electronics today is so good that it's silly to waste money on it. These people are quite convinced. You should hear some of them. It's because all they know is Circuit City and Radio Shack. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | mtrycrafts
Nov 29, 2001 10:39 PM | | "I didn't ask for any proof, "
But I did. Stop shifting the burden of proof, corporal. |
| CaptainAudio may be reporting to MajorFauxPas | Captain Audio
Nov 30, 2001 6:02 AM | | "The burden of proof" to what? All I asked for was for you to describe you audio system, in detail, so I can better understand your POV. Simple, no? |
| BY THE WAY, corporal | mtrycrafts
Nov 29, 2001 10:41 PM | | ". So, I just want to know what mtrycrafts uses for an audio system "
I don't need a system. I don't have the burden of proof of the positive, you disagree? |
| BY THE WAY, corporal | Captain Audio
Nov 30, 2001 6:07 AM | | mtrycrafts, I'm not asking you to prove anything, I just want to know what you use for an audio system, so I can better understand your POV. What's the problem with that? |
| BY THE WAY, corporal | mtrycrafts
Nov 30, 2001 10:10 PM | | Irrelevant what I have or don't have. after all, I don't need to prove an audible difference, right. And the evidence is just doesn;'t exist for audible differnece in cables. No point in chasing the rainbow. |
| Shut your festerin gob, ya twit | JoeW
Nov 30, 2001 11:21 AM | | >I don't need a system. I don't have the burden of proof of the positive, you disagree?
This is a message board, where people are 'supposed' to be able to offer their opinions on cables. As such, all opinions enjoy an equal 'burdon of proof' - should such a concept even apply here.
If you demand no 'burdon of proof' be attached to your scribblings, you cant demand it be applied to others.
Simple, fair, but probably beyond your self righteous grasp. |
| "ya twit" | mtrycrafts
Nov 30, 2001 10:14 PM | | "This is a message board, where people are 'supposed' to be able to offer their opinions on cables. "
Yep, and you don;t need a system to do that, do you disagree "ya twit"
"As such, all opinions enjoy an equal 'burdon of proof' "
Does it now? Please explain how you prove the negative?
"If you demand no 'burdon of proof' be attached to your scribblings, you cant demand it be applied to others. "
That is why you will not get ahead as you just cannot understand simple concepts yet. |
| It seems you've never heard of Monty Python... | JoeW
Nov 30, 2001 11:41 PM | | The quote I selected was from the 'Argument skit' Sorry if you took it personally.
You resort to insult and innuendo when asked for specific information. I made no such request here - I merely quoted Monty Python and tried to point out simple concepts of common decency.
The rest of the Monty Python quote goes:
'Your type makes me want to puke.'
Feel better? |
| It seems you've never heard of Monty Python... | mtrycrafts
Dec 1, 2001 3:50 PM | | Why should I know of him? Did he receive the Nobel for something? Had a gold album, platinum? |
| A nod's as good as wink to a blind man. Say no more.(nt) | JoeW
Dec 2, 2001 9:12 PM | | |
| re: Cables for Meridian CDP/Rotel receiver/Dynaudio Audience52s? | mtrycrafts
Nov 29, 2001 10:36 PM | | When it is relevant, I will clue you in. And, you ain't no captain audio, just a joke. |
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