|   How many years have you guys been arguing in this forum??? | Bobby Blacklight
Jun 23, 2002 5:16 PM | | Just wondering some of you go back a couple of years. Have you learned anything from a person with an opposing view point?? |
| Well son, pull up seat beside my rocking chair.... | MonstrousMike
Jun 23, 2002 5:45 PM | | I have learned a ton in the few years I have been here. I think I have been exposed to every yeasayer point of view (or most at the very least) and had a chance to explore them.
I am still exploring many opposing points of view as well as seeking reinforcement for my own. I've even changed a couple of my own points of view.
A few years ago I was a newbie. Through the discussions I have had here, my reward is that I'm fairly certain I could recite a detailed description about most aspects of home theatre and home audio right off the cuff. My only weakness would probably be high end stuff. |
| re: How many years have you guys been arguing in this forum??? | Abex
Jun 23, 2002 6:00 PM | | I do not know about you ,but I would like to just come here for advice without poster's following me around and dissecting every word I put down because I ask for help!
If there are those that do not believe in the validity of another's outlook that is to bad,PERIOD.I only try to come here for advice on things I ask for,not to get caught up in a Naysayer\Yeasayer battle-It's just a disstraction!
Wish people would just help other's who come here asking for help instead of wasteing time dissproving everything that someone asks.
They are on some sort of mission which I will never understand!Like someone had hurt them in some way and they have to make everyone else pay for now and evermore.
Do yourselves a favor,find a cause that is worth dying for and put everything into it.Like helping rid the world of landmines or becoming human sheilds in a hostage crisis!Or save the animals by becoming a test subject for the cure for a incurable Cancer.Save the world in a better way Dr.Know-It-All's!
Please stop following people around trying to change the opinion of what I or other's believe to be true!If you cannot answer a simple Q without going into a dialog about the validity of this or that ,then please don't post! |
| Abex...? | StevenSurprenant
Jun 23, 2002 9:30 PM | | <i>Do yourselves a favor,find a cause that is worth dying for and put everything into it.Like helping rid the world of landmines or becoming human sheilds in a hostage crisis!Or save the animals by becoming a test subject for the cure for a incurable Cancer.Save the world in a better way Dr.Know-It-All's! </i>
That's Hilarious....
I couldn't stop laughing....
Very well said......................... |
| SS-Makes some sense,huh!L-eom | Abex
Jun 23, 2002 11:27 PM | | |
| Abex, I agree with you... | StevenSurprenant
Jun 24, 2002 4:06 AM | | It would be great if we could come here and enjoy this hobbie, but as you said, there are some people on this board that make this less than enjoyable.
You've got the complainers that are rude.
You've got the naysayers on a quest, that feel that they are informing people of the true realities of audio. Keep in mind that all naysayers aren't bad, just a few.
And, you've got the "know it all's" that refute everthing you say.
When new people come to this board and leave angry, I think that's sad and it damages this forum. I don't think that the people I mentioned above really care about this board or the people who seek help.
I got pulled into this when I first came here, but I have learned to ignor these people. I almost left myself, never to return. Nothing you say to them will make them understand the damages they cause. It only makes them more intent on proving their point. In fact, I'm sure some of them will respond to this post and pick it apart... But who cares? I don't read their posts anymore, because it's always the same old line. Boring!
What makes me stay is that there are many decent people here. These are the people that try to help others and aren't interested in proving their point. These people are a credit to this hobbie. |
| SS, agreed! | Abex
Jun 24, 2002 10:50 AM | | There are some really knowledgable people here that have blown me away by stuff they have to say.I'm alittle more experienced than to be scared off because some wish to intimidate without being polite to people making mistakes or asking stupid Q's.I myself have asked bone head Q's! Your right to just ignore those who wish to intimidate.
It should be a forum for learning and info.That's what I thought it here for.Not for the little Hitler's of the Audio world! There's one\few in every bunch though! |
| One THIS forum, maybe 2 years | Norm Strong
Jun 23, 2002 9:42 PM | | But I'm on a lot of forums--now and for many years. In that time I've learned that there are a surprising number of people that believe the old saw, "You get what you pay for."
Would that it were true. |
| You get what you pay for... | Warren Warren
Jun 24, 2002 12:51 PM | | Well, this "old saw", as you put it, is not a hard fast rule, but generally holds true. Of course, it also applies to this forum. I have been on here a year now, and have learned a lot, but at the same time, you really have to take a lot of what is said here with more than a few grains of salt. After all, there is no way to know who any of us are, what our qualifications are, etc., other than to put trust in the anonimity of the internet. Since it is (usually) true that you get what you pay for, just remember that this site, and all the advice on it, are free. So, if it doesn't cost anything, it might not be worth anything, either!
WW |
| re: How many years have you guys been arguing in this forum??? | mtrycrafts
Jun 23, 2002 10:30 PM | | Since the evidence offered by them are non existant, not much to learn.
Oh, this has been going on for 20+ years in the hobby. some just don't know when they are licked and give up. |
| Ugh... | Spiky
Jun 24, 2002 7:40 AM | | Damn. I don't recall being licked. Now that's TWO reasons I'm glad you don't live in my town, mtry. |
| re: How many years have you guys been arguing in this forum??? | pctower
Jun 24, 2002 7:40 AM | | Galileo knew when he was defeated by the naysayers of his day and he gave up. Fortunately others followed him who refused to be silenced by the self-appointed protectors of dogma and disseminators of disinformation of that time. |
| re: How many years have you guys been arguing in this forum??? | mtrycrafts
Jun 24, 2002 3:51 PM | | Ah, they were not the neysayers as the church had infor,mation from their own astronomers who was right. There were other agendas at work. Not a simple history lesson. |
| How many times do I have to repeat this. | pctower
Jun 24, 2002 7:43 AM | | It is absolutely against the rules here to change ones mind - there is a zero tolerance policy in effect. MM's post below, indicating an open mind, could, if not retracted immediately, subject him to permanent non-person status. |
| re: How many years have you guys been arguing in this forum??? | DMK
Jun 24, 2002 9:10 AM | | I've learned much from this forum over the last couple of years from the naysayers, although I can't exactly say that naysaying is inherently in opposition of my point of view. I "lean" toward subjectivity but there is a lot of validity in the objective POV. I've found both points of view to be correct at times and incorrect at times. As I like to say, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
As the cable debate holds no interest to me, I don't participate here much. But I still click on this forum so that I can read dissenting opinions and learn a few things about basic objectivity, science, psychoacoustics and such. As much as many of the yeasayers don't appreciate some of their "opponents", I hold most of the folks here in very high esteem regardless of their point of view. |
| 14 years | Richard Greene
Jun 24, 2002 11:43 AM | | And I won every argument for the first 9 years |
| To learn? To teach? To amuse? To be entertained? | John McHugh
Jun 24, 2002 12:33 PM | | If I read or post at any message board, it's for one of these reasons.
(Notice "to argue" isn't among the choices. If I felt the need to argue with a technical expert, I wouldn't do it in a public forum.)
I don't know everything about anything, but I'm very selective who I learn from. I concluded long ago that it's unlikely that somebody with an opposing viewpoint about the added value of exotic cables could teach me anything about cables, although they surely can confuse me into a frustrated stalemate with fuzzy talk.
That said, long-time believers are seldom the intended audience of my infrequent serious posts, unless it's a very specific response to a question or misstatement. I present what I believe to be good information indifferent to whether others who frequent this board disagree.
John |
| But... | Warren Warren
Jun 24, 2002 12:56 PM | | ...Is gold, AT THE ELEMENTAL LEVEL, a better conductor than silver or copper? And leave electron collisions out of it!
: )
WW |
| I'm waiting for... | MonstrousMike
Jun 24, 2002 1:04 PM | | ...an audiophile who not only hears the difference between electrons, but actually shrinks to the size of an atom for visual verification.
Of course, we all know that cameras can't be shrunk down like living beings so all we will have is questionable anecdotal evidence. |
| What- You don't... | Warren Warren
Jun 24, 2002 2:24 PM | | ...trust my handy-dandy portable combination Swiss-army knife with the scanning electron microscope option? I bought it at Sharper Image! |
| The true purpose of SEM... | John McHugh
Jun 24, 2002 6:48 PM | | Check out the link. The really funny part is that electron microscopy has such great resolution that "the cool pictures" are often its greatest utility. (Shhh, don't say anything to the business managers who pay for these wonderful research toys). To actually learn something significant about a material, often you would need to spend too much time scanning around at the micron level to be worth the effort.
And by the way, individual atoms are "visible" with scanning tunneling microscopy. But again, seeing an atom is pretty cool but not very useful. As the resolution is increased, so is the number of images necessary to understand the bulk nature of the material. |
| Whoops, the link didn't appear as advertised... | John McHugh
Jun 24, 2002 6:55 PM | | http://www.brknews.com/news/microscope.html |
| Too Funny!!! (NT) | Warren Warren
Jun 24, 2002 7:18 PM | | Hey- I posted (NT)! Why are you reading this?!?!? |
| It must be wonderful to be as wonderful as you (nt). | pctower
Jun 24, 2002 9:49 PM | | NT |
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