|   For real help with cables | Ears
Sep 14, 2003 5:28 PM | | Most of the people posting here don't believe in quality sounding cables, they recommend the cheapest inter-connects and hardware store wire or zipcord for speaker cables as being good enough.
Go to http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/bbs.html to get real help with cables.
If you are not afraid to do some soldering and your own assembly, try one of the many DIY cable sites, such as Jon Risch's site, or TNT.
Great performance for not much money.
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/diycables.html
http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/
Ears |
| What do mean by statement "quality sounding cables"? | Tony_Montana
Sep 14, 2003 6:43 PM | | I would omit "sound" from the phrase "quality sounding cables" to make it "quality cables", as it is politically more correct. And that should be the objective (rather than sound) when looking at cables- especially Interconnects. Jon Risch or TNT's DIY cables are quality cables, but so are cables from Radio shack (Gold series), or AR cables from Bestbuy. And they might cost less, and no labor involve :)
For speaker cables, quality mean low resistance and [and to lesser degree] low inductance. Zip cord (reasonable length) fulfill those specification-thank you very much.
You said:
>Most of the people posting here don't believe in quality sounding cables, they recommend the cheapest inter-connects...
Hmmmm.....No, most people here don't.
See.....
Tony_Montana "Here is the main reason to stay away from cheap&OME ICs." 8/27/03 5:16pm |
| My last sentence don't look right. | Tony_Montana
Sep 15, 2003 4:22 PM | | The last sentence should read..."Hmmmmm....No, most people here do not recommend the cheapest interconnects".
Now that look better :) |
| re: For real help with cables | mtrycrafts
Sep 14, 2003 11:48 PM | | It appears that your moniker may not live up to its name. There is no evidence, real evidence, not ones that are imagined, for cables having sound of their own. But I am sure, if they have one, the evidence tree is overflowing with evidence. Would you please cite some?
Jon has never demonstrated cable sound although he has made many claims, had many offers to demonstrate his golden ear status. Actuall, no one has been able to demonstrate such talents.
Oh, your link IS an appropriate name for the fringe of audio. |
| You forgot to mention... | RobotCzar
Sep 15, 2003 8:12 AM | | That some of the sites restrict dissusion (i.e., censor information) that does not agree with the approved views. So if you really want to discuss "quality cable sound" you will be able to do so without inconvenient facts getting in the way. |
| You forgot to mention... | mtrycrafts
Sep 15, 2003 11:15 PM | | Where do I stand for my 10 lashes :) |
| You have hard evidence to the contrary?(nt) | FLZapped
Sep 15, 2003 9:33 AM | | |
| Who doesn't believe in quality cables? | JoeE SP9
Sep 15, 2003 5:08 PM | | People that don't care about cables would not be on this site. Investing considerable amounts of cash makes you care. It should be obvious to even the densest that there is something strange about commercial cable pricing. Unless exotic or precious materials are used in the construction the prices on some cables are so ridiculous I can't believe they sell any. I make my own cables. I have tried some of the more expensive ones on loan from retailers and friends. I have also built some from TNT and Jon Risch. Although my speaker cables (braided CAT-5 Ultra) and IC's (Belden cable Deltron RCA's) may not look all that exotic they do sound as good as some very expensive stuff I AB'd in my own rig. BTW the same goes for some AC power cables. |
| A bad mistake, a very very bad mistake | skeptic
Sep 21, 2003 5:39 AM | | I don't know what you mean when you say "quality cables." And quite frankly, I don't care when it comes to making your own speaker cables and interconnects. It's your money, your equipment and if you waste it or blow your amplifier up, that's your business. But anyone would be making a very bad mistake to take the advice of the guy on your hot link by making their own power cords according to his instructions or for that matter anyone elses. Here's what he said in part;
"My Mains-Cable construction for the "UBYTE-M" () is not that different from some of the Mains-cables Synergistic Research sells. The Cable I use is made from two length of Coax, having a 16-14 Gauge Solid Copper Core, a aircell polyethylene Insulation, and a copper foil & braid shielding.
The specific Cable I use is sold as "Low-Loss Satellite" Cable or called "CATV" Cable."
This type of cable is not classified for insulation of 120 volts. You risk shock and electrocution if you try it. If your little DIY experiment results in injury or damage, your insurance company will not be responsible for your negligence and stupidity. You may be held civilly and even criminally liable. Don't try it. It is dumb. And even if you don't have an accident, it won't help your sound system any. |
| And yet another warning about DIY power cords | skeptic
Sep 21, 2003 6:45 AM | | The risk of big trouble with DIY power cords made from coax extends beyond voltage rating. Current rating is also a problem. Since all power carrying conductors generate heat, the safe gage of wire for a given current depends not only on the type of insulation but how the wire is used. 16 gage lamp cord may be safe for handling 15 amps. A 14 or 16 gage center conductor of a coax may not be. The UL and NEC ratings on the safe current carrying capacities (ampacities) of wire depend on their ability to dissipate heat. When used in free air, they have one rating. When installed in a raceway where air flow is restricted they have another. Different types of insulation result in the same gage wire having different acceptable ampacities. What is the safe rating for the coax in the DIY project? Nobody knows because it hasn't been tested for that purpose. Why should it have been, it is not recommended or approved for that kind of application. Could it melt or cause a fire when used in a heavy duty application such as for a power amplifier? It might. |
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