|   Sure doesn't take much to get a COOL IT | FLZapped
Oct 27, 2003 12:57 AM | | Over at the Cable Asylum:
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/83946.html
-Bruce |
| You're surprised at this? | markw
Oct 27, 2003 6:26 AM | | As we all (and yourseld in particular, know by now, it's not polite to go into a church and say the titular head wears funny looking hat.
They prefer you make these statements outside the church where they can disavow any knowledge of the responses you get, or the type of aforementioned responses.
This way, the sanctity of the institutiuon remains "pure".
In other words, don't tell a lady her stockings are wrinkeled. She may not be wearing any. |
| re: Sure doesn't take much to get a COOL IT | Pat D
Oct 27, 2003 7:07 AM | | You often can't tell the truth in Cable Asylum. And what you said is certainly quite true. |
| Heh, heh..... | FLZapped
Oct 27, 2003 8:01 AM | | You both have given me a way to announce that the Emporer has no clothes....thanks guys.....BWAHHAHHAHHAHAHA.....
-Bruce |
| Don't know who started that power cord crap. | Tony_Montana
Oct 27, 2003 2:39 PM | | Interconnects and speaker cables (IMO) might be worth talking or arguing about since it is in direct path of signal, and their parameters (capacitance, inductances, resistance) might effect the signal they are carrying.
But arguing about the merit of power cords and its effect on sound quality is ridiculous since they are not even in [direct] path of signal chain. And whatever gain one would get by replacing a stock power cord will be throw out of window by component's power supply stage. |
| Don't know who started that power cord crap. | FLZapped
Oct 27, 2003 8:58 PM | | There was a guy a while back who had this power cord that he made claims for...
Well, it wasn't a stock cord, he modified it by placing a large ferrite choke on it, so it wasn't just a power cord any longer. It was a cord with a filter.
Got all bent out of shape when I pointed that out.
There are times when you need filtering, but it isn't magic.
-Bruce |
| Don't know who started that power cord crap. | okiemax
Oct 28, 2003 2:35 PM | | Given the abuse you take over at AA, my initial reaction was to not reply to your post, because you might be here for relief. But on second thought, your topic statement ("Don't know who started that power cord crap")looks like a baited hook. So I'll bite, and see what happens.
I don't know who first claimed better power cords could improve an audio system's performance. The idea may have started when someone stumbled onto it, and instead of dismissing the experience as a figment of his imagination, decided it was real.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not 'Eureka!" (I found it!)but "That's funny ..." Isacc Asimov
By the way, I too was puzzled by the "Cool It" warning that Jitter got at AA. The warning followed his reply to a question another AA member had asked me, and although I can't speak for the other member, I thought the reply was harmless. Perhaps there are reasons for the warning that are not apparent. |
| Don't know who started that power cord crap. | FLZapped
Oct 28, 2003 4:08 PM | | You have to understand that the truth cannot be spoken over there. So they circle the wagons and try and drive off those who have anything but the sound of the herd.
One of the brightest, Steve Eddy was banned because he questioned things.
Although I will agree that we get into heated debates here that will string a threa along for a long time, we are at lest allowed to do so. Over at AA on the Cable board, that's a no-no, because they dont' want the facts to get in the way of their fiction. Jon Risch is the leader of all that.
If you do searches here, you'll see that he once posted here, but never anything that he could substantiate when other engineers that hang out here pinned his ears back. Usually, he'd just start with Ad Hominem attacks when all else failed. Of course, over at AA, he's fairly free to interpret the rules any way he sees fit since he is buddy-buddy with the board owner and has set himself up as one of the moderators. Sort of like the situation in Iraq with Hussien. He didn't like you, you were dead. Same thing on AA, while Jon himself blatently violates the rules there.
Yes, this <b>is</b> my <b>biased</b> observation.....
-Bruce
(aka Jitter_by_Coffee on AA)
...now gonna cool it. |
| Don't know who started that power cord crap. | pctower
Oct 29, 2003 11:17 AM | | b Yes, this is my biased observation.....
Just because it's biased doesn't mean it's not valid.
I agree with your observations. |
| Don't know who started that power cord crap. | FLZapped
Oct 29, 2003 12:16 PM | | Yeah, well, you know the legal department......
*grin*
-Bruce |
| Crap indeed! Somebody stumbled? You betcha! | woodman
Oct 28, 2003 4:39 PM | | okie:
From your post it sounds like you "buy into" the idea that powercords DO affect the sonic performance of a component such as an amplifier. If that is indeed the case, let me set you straight on the matter:
A POWER CORD - IN AND OF ITSELF, CANNOT HAVE ANY MEANINGFUL EFFECT ON THE PERFORMANCE OF ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICE OR COMPONENT ... PERIOD!
The power supply circuitry of any and all electronic devices will negate any effect that the power cord might bring to the party. I speak from more than 60 years of hands-on experience, working with these technologies, so this is not simply some opinionated "naysayer" statement.
Reports from those claiming miraculous sonic improvements (or video ones either) from an upgraded power cord are simply the victims of their own ABEs - that's all. In other words, it's their Attitudes and Beliefs that join together to create the Expectations that cause the sensory experiences that they have. There is simply no "rocket science" here ... it's just basic electronics. I've made the analogy before that a power cord is akin to the hose that puts the gasoline into your gas tank at a service station. No matter what that hose is made of or how it's constructed - it will have NO bearing whatsoever on how your car performs ... NONE!
woodman |
| Crap indeed! Somebody stumbled? You betcha! | okiemax
Oct 28, 2003 11:41 PM | | Six months ago I would have agreed with you. That was before a friend loaned me a relatively inexpensive audiophile power cord to try on my Rotel RA-972 integrated amp, saying only that it might or might not make a difference compared to the stock cord.
I expected this power cord would not make a bit of difference. But it made a startling difference. WOW! My jaw must have dropped when I heard the improvement in bass. I later tried another audiophile cord with my amp and heard no improvement over the stock cord. It could be results are cord/amp specific, and maybe some amps would not benefit at all from another cord.
I respect your 60 years of hands-on experience in electronics, and appreciate your concern. If you want me to go by what you say rather than what I hear, however, I'm afraid I will dissapoint you. |
| How would you explain improved bass.... | Tony_Montana
Oct 29, 2003 2:34 PM | | ..given that the signal power cord is carrying is not even the same after power supply stage (stepped down, and filtered)?
If one had a pure source of 120 AC volt (theoretically) where there is no phase shift between voltage and current, then using a good power cord might be warranted to deliver the [pure] AC to the component.
But the power one would get in from a typical AC outlet is anything but pure. On one hand, you will have phase shift due to inductive nature of AC power grid (running for miles). And on the other, power lines are subject to all kind of EM and RF interference that will contaminate 120 AC volts that is coming to your house. So how can a 6 feet of power cord combat all these problems that are integrated into 120 AC?
And I haven't even mention anything about the power supply stage that AC have to go thru and how it will alter it :) |
| How would you explain improved bass.... | okiemax
Oct 30, 2003 2:39 AM | | I don't have the technical background to comment on the questions you raised. However, the information which follows may be of interest.
I didn't identify the power cord in my previous post, so in case anyone wants to know, it's Signal Cable's Magic Power(regulars here will love the name). This 10awg cord has Marinco connectors, and the $59 price is reasonable, considering the connectors alone cost almost one-half that at Parts Express.
According to the Signal Cable web site, this model will be the standard power cord accompanying Velodyne's new Signature 1812 Subwoofer. I wasn't aware of the Velodyne connection before I tried the cord, but I think it's interesting, since bass was were the cord improved my system. |
| I did check out the Magic Power cables. | Tony_Montana
Oct 30, 2003 3:01 PM | | I really didn't see anything special about them. They looks like a heavy industrial power cords one would see at an industrial site.
Just to put things in perspective, I have worked with sensitive communication equipments from Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu where they deal with signals that are in micro volts range (that is with 6 zeros 0.000001 volt), and I have never seen any of equipments use special type of power cord. It is just a typical run of the mill cord. I don't see why any audio equipments be different in that regard.
It is what happen after the power supply stage that matters, not before it :)
. |
| I did check out the Magic Power cables. | okiemax
Oct 30, 2003 7:55 PM | | You may inadvertently stimulate Signal Cable's sales by posting that photo. I know it's from their web site, but it looks better to me here -- perhaps because there is no bar on the side. |
| Crap indeed! Somebody stumbled? And we all know who it was. | RADAR O_Riley
Nov 2, 2003 3:12 PM | | b "I respect your 60 years of hands-on experience in electronics, and appreciate your concern. If you want me to go by what you say rather than what I hear, however, I'm afraid I will dissapoint you." - Okiemax
Okiemax, have you tried CD StopLight? If you have, did it make the kind of difference others have reported? Does CD StopLight really work, or are all the reports that have been made about it over the years just a function of self-delusion? I mean, people say exactly what you've said here about power cords, but today almost everyone realizes that the StopLight product was a scam, and it is really hard to find suckers to buy the product now. Certainly the people who have heard huge improvements when they used CD StopLight did indeed "hear" a difference, but we now know with certainty that the difference was internal to the listeners, right? Or do you actually believe that every report of improbable improvements should be take as fact because someone insists that they hear a difference? By doing this you open yourself to every scam out there. Do you demagnetize your CD? If not, how do you know it won't help? Have you dried it? Did it make the huge difference many claim? How is that possible? (I'll give you a clue; There is only one possible answer that is based in reality rather than fantasy.) I use to fall for some of the scams too, but not usually the really stupid ones (like power cords, chemical CD treatments, and patented magic rocks that "suck in" RFI). Those ideas are for dopes that don't have a clue and won't bother to do any kind of controlled testing. I was a dope about some things too, but managed to get past that point eventually. Do some controlled testing and you can advance your own understanding the very same way. Refuse to do so, remain confused, and let yourself be fooled if you like. It's a personal choice you have to make for yourself.
PCT once said he'd try some controlled testing, but then decided that he didn't have the time. Golden ears (not that PCT is or has ever claimed to be a golden ear) always find some excuse. Can you rise above the nonsense and do any better than PCT?
R.O.
PS. PCT, that wasn't a comment on your posts or thinking, just on your not being willing to take the time to do the testing you once said you'd do. I do understand about time constraints.
R.O. |
| Crap indeed! Somebody stumbled? And we all know who it was. | okiemax
Nov 3, 2003 12:33 PM | | I haven't tried the CD Stoplight pen. Is it a scam? I don't know. At the $20 asking price, I suspect it may be poor value. If I wanted to experiment, I would try a $2 to $3 water-based paint marker pen instead. If you are interested in tweaks, cheap or free substitutes for the advertised versions usually can be found. If you want to see if a weight on top your CD player will make a difference, for example, try using a heavy book like the Yellow Pages. It didn't work for me, but I have never had much luck with tweaks.
I haven't tried demagnetizing a CD. Furutech makes a couple of CD demagneting device with list prices of $300 to $400. Are these scams? I don't know, but I have a feeling my money might be more effectively spent elsewhere(speaker upgrade comes to mind). As I recall, Furutech has measurements that show their products reducing the negative effects of magnetism on playback accuracy. Unfortunately, I don't always hear measured differences. Several years ago Stereophile Magazine tested the Radio Shack LX5 speaker both with and without drinking straws stuffed in the ports, and the reviewer both heard and measured a difference. I tried the straws in my LX5's and heard no difference.
Now that I have established that I usually can't hear differences, is my claim of bass improvemt with the Signal power cord credible? If not, I can go into the cables, amps, cd payers, and other items that I have tried without hearing improvement. |
| No, not at all. | RADAR O_Riley
Nov 4, 2003 5:39 PM | | Trust me, all the justifications will fail to fly once you do some controlled testing for yourself. I've been there and speak from experience (for whatever it's worth). We all hear things that aren't real, and miss things that are, and that's more the rule than the exception. Only the experience will convince you. Same argument golden ears use, but they WRONGLY assume that anyone who doesn't agree with them hasn't tried. When the foot is in the other shoe there is no guessing involved, because golden ears REFUSE to do any kind of controlled testing. When they do, they change their tune. It ALWAYS happens that way, and that is what will happen to you if you try it. That's a fact, whether you believe it or not. Why not try and see for yourself whether I'm right or wrong about this?
None of this says that you DON'T hear a difference, just that it is suspect for a number of reasons. Why not do some controlled tests and see if you can still hear that difference?
R.O. |
| Crap indeed! Additional comment | okiemax
Nov 3, 2003 1:54 PM | | I forget to comment on your recommendation that I try controlled listening. I would do controlled listening experiments at home if it was practical to do so. No, I'm not going to buy a ABX Comparator that cost one-half as much as my entire hifi system to do a DBT on my $60 power cord (don't know if the hooked-up is possible anyway).
Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing the results of a DBT on power cords. Have there been any such studies? |
| Crap indeed! Additional comment | mtrycrafts
Nov 3, 2003 9:47 PM | | b Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing the results of a DBT on power cords. Have there been any such studies?
If interconnects and speaker cable DBT is null, why would you think power cords, not even in the signal path would be anything but hype, bs or voodoo.
Oh, you don't need to buy the ABX box. If you are handy you can construct switches and have someone switch while you are not in the room. Wher ethere is a will, there is a way. |
| Crap indeed! Additional comment | okiemax
Nov 4, 2003 1:15 AM | | A null result is inconclusive. It means you can't conclude two components are audibly different, and you can't conclude they are audibly the same. Why do you keep implying it means something else?
I would not conclude that all power cords are the same based on inconclusive (null) studies of some interconnects and speaker cables. Nor would I conclude all power cords are different based on statistically significant differences found in studies of the other cables. Actually, I can't see the sense in making these comparisons at all, since the cables and cords have different functions.
I'm sure you mean well in suggesting I make a switching device and have someone throw the switch when I'm not in the room. I'll have to pass on that one. My girlfriend already suspects I'm afflicted by an obsessive-compulsive disorder. I can see her eyes roll now as I explain why I'm making the switching device. |
| I don't know where you got your information, but ... | RADAR O_Riley
Nov 4, 2003 5:55 PM | | ... I've never put more than $90 into a switchbox for blind testing. Surely that's not half of what you have in your entire system. ;-)
Besides, the ABX box isn't really useful for testing power cords. We had to build a special box to handle that.
I do agree with what you said about not seeing any published results of DBT's using power cords. If it's out there, I haven't seen it either. However, I did participate in tests conducted by one of the high-end manufacturers (with my prodding and assistance), so I do know that at least one company has done a little testing. I also know what the results were, but you won't believe me until you have a better grasp of how easily we're all fooled by what we hear. Once you've participated in enough controlled tests you'll find yourself questioning differences you hear even when they are smack-in-the-face obvious. I didn't actually believe my ears when a speaker wire rolled off the high frequency response of my speakers all the way down to 14k. Had to see the roll-off in a measurement first, because my ears have fooled me too many times. Most people, including audiophiles, really haven't got a clue how unreliable their ears are, and I've never seen anyone learn without participating in controlled tests. So basically, we both know that you're not going to believe anything other than what you think you hear, until you do some controlled testing. After that, things will change, but of course you don't believe that, so we are at am impasse. I've been there, but you can't believe that, so there is nothing for us to discuss. If you advance to the next level then further discussion would be appropriate.
The most important thing (IMHO) is for you to enjoy your hobby. If you try using a green or black marker to darken the edges of your CD's, and find that what you hear seems to be improved, and you don't care what is causing you to hear differences, they I see no reason for you to be concerned. Just enjoy. ;-)
One's hobby should suit them, and it's a very personal thing, IMHO. Suit yourself.
R.O. |
| I don't know where you got your information, but ... | okiemax
Nov 5, 2003 12:01 AM | | This is in reply to both your 5:39pm and 5:55pm posts. From the tone of your second message, I fear something I said may have offended you. While I disagree with you on some issues, it was not my intention to offend.
While I do not have a way to do my own controlled personal listening tests, I am not against the concept, and I am not against null results. If two components sounded different in my sighted listening test, and then did not sound different in my controlled test, I would conclude that they were not audibly different to me in that test.
QSC audio offers a ABX comparator for $715, which is about one-half the $1,450 total cost of my audio system. I don't know if less expensive makes are on the market. |
| Hello | jneutron
Oct 30, 2003 11:31 AM | | ""A POWER CORD - IN AND OF ITSELF, CANNOT HAVE ANY MEANINGFUL EFFECT ON THE PERFORMANCE OF ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICE OR COMPONENT ... PERIOD!""
I challenge that assertion...up to it??
Pic: one wire, flux scan.
Cheers, John |
| Hello | FLZapped
Oct 30, 2003 12:00 PM | | Well, about time *grin*
Just remember, pi r round, not square...
-Bruce |
| Uhm...... | FLZapped
Oct 30, 2003 12:03 PM | | How about explaining your pretty little pic before you continue.....
-Bruce |
| Uhm...... | jneutron
Oct 30, 2003 12:28 PM | | ""How about explaining your pretty little pic before you continue..... ""Bruce
I would think that it is quite self explanatory...don't you????
Over at AA, John Curl made it quite clear that he did not understand what inductance of a wire actually was..In trying to explain it to him, I decided that pics would be the best way..That little snowball turned into an avalanch of ideas and things to do.
That pic is part of a magnetic analysis code that I'm writing. Depicted is a wire composed of 6400 individual currents. The line through the middle is where the code calculates the total flux in space as a result of the currents in the 6400 wires. The bottom curve is the plot of the flux w/r to position, from the far left to the center of the wire.
The definition of inductance is the total amount of flux generated for a unit current. A wire with current generates flux inside the conductor as well as outside.
This pic shows the flux inside the wire, with a linear rise with distance from the center of the wire, and outside, a 1/r drop in flux as you move away..
Next will be to generate an integral flux (inductance) number vs radius, from center to far field..
Then, integral stored energy vs radius..
Code supports only a mu of 1 for now..And, is purely static for now.
Eventually, autoranging, and dynamic current code will be added..
Once dynamic current is coded in, I will be able to visualize inductance and energy storage profile vs current slew rate.
The descrete nature of my modelling code will allow layered wires (the way superconductors are made), as well as stranded (7 strands for now) wire geometries..
Here is a current shell pic..this is what heavily skinning current does..note the complete lack of flux within the shell, indicating no self inductance, nor any internal stored energy. This is again a static pic, but indicative of what I look for..
Cheers, John |
| Uhm...... | FLZapped
Oct 30, 2003 2:37 PM | | Normally, yeah, but right now I am playing part hardware engineer, part softhead, and part system engineer trying to dechipher decoding(or lack thereof) of LTR low-speed data streams in our radios under handshake conditions.....
UGH!
So just lead me *s l o w l y* by the ol' schnozola.....
-Bruce |
| One headache I'll never forget. | RADAR O_Riley
Oct 30, 2003 5:35 PM | | How tough can a low-speed data stream be?
Back when the SEL 32-75 was a new product, I ended up trying to solve a low-speed data stream problem that I'll never forget. This wasn't even telecom, just a simple low-speed "hardened" digital cassette recorder with a data rate of a few thousand baud. However, the drive was interfaced to the SEL through one of their multiplexed interfaces, and the custom interface card had been designed by an engineer who didn't fully understand how the mux worked. The whole thing was a kludge, so when it didn't work the number of possible causes was enormous. The software drivers were simple, and the drive itself was simple, but the buss mux box added a layer of complexity that made finding the problem a real bear. The darn thing would work flawlessly from 8 A.M. until 5 P.M., but wouldn't work at all between 5 P.M. and 5 A.M. Now that makes sense, doesn't it? Oh yea, seen that one lots of times, right?
I'm ashamed to admit that it took me most of six months to find the bug, and even then I had to have some help. I finally discovered a ground that wasn't grounded, but there was no way for the setup to work at all without the ground. That really blew my mind, so I called in a real EE to help me figure out what the heck was happening. It was easy enough to see that the needed ground was being supplied somehow, between 8 A.M. and 5 P.M., and then it was going away. Turned out that the ground path was completed only when a certain piece of hardware (totally unrelated to the tape unit or mux) had power applied. The only person who used that equipment started every morning at 8 sharp, and shut the thing off every evening at 5 sharp. I hope you find your current problem a lot less elusive.
R.O. |
| One headache I'll never forget. | FLZapped
Oct 31, 2003 7:39 AM | | You can thank the computer age for making it far more complicated than it needs to be!
-Bruce |
| Amen, Bruce. | RADAR O_Riley
Oct 31, 2003 10:03 PM | | To be fair, computers are just like most other things, in that they are both a positive and a negative. Some things they make easier, some they make harder. It's not really the machine that does this, but the way we use the machine. When the machines start using and manipulating us, then we have a serious problem. Do you recall the first version of Windoze where the computer was in control rather than the user? I think it started with '95 and was brought to completion with the release of XP. :-D
If you want to talk about making the simple as complex as possible, let's talk about object oriented programming. Here we have a system that lets any idiot write complex programs that do sophisticated things the programmer doesn't even understand. There are some flaws in the idea that complexity doesn't matter when memory and CPU speed are essentially free, and I take it that you're all too aware of them.
Grumble, grumble.
R.O. |
| Amen, Bruce. | FLZapped
Nov 1, 2003 12:51 AM | | Yep. We used to make radios. Then we made computer assisted radios. Now we make radio assisted computers.
-Bruce |
| Okay.... | FLZapped
Oct 31, 2003 7:47 AM | | b That pic is part of a magnetic analysis code that I'm writing. Depicted is a wire composed of 6400 individual currents. The line through the middle is where the code calculates the total flux in space as a result of the currents in the 6400 wires. The bottom curve is the plot of the flux w/r to position, from the far left to the center of the wire.
Got it....onto the other stuff....
-bb |
| John, I was thinking..... | FLZapped
Oct 31, 2003 7:50 AM | | This might be better if it is restarted in a fresh thread.
-Bruce |
| I try not to do that..it only gets me into trouble | jneutron
Oct 31, 2003 8:01 AM | | Which...the magnetic analysis of wires...
Or the gauntlet which I have slapped "woodman" with?
Cheers, John |
| I thought trouble was your middle name!?(nt) | FLZapped
Oct 31, 2003 10:32 AM | | |
| A gauntlet you say??????? | woodman
Oct 31, 2003 3:00 PM | | John:
Perhaps you should read (objectively, of course) my statement again - the pivotal word is
b MEANINGFUL
which probably didn't stand out as clearly as it should have due to the fact that I capitalized the entire statement.
I appreciate your dogged pursuit of the electronic sciences and have respect for your engineering "chops", but I must stand fervently behind my statement that whatever effect any power cord can have on the performance of the device it supplies raw AC with, is gonna be so ridiculously minuscule as to be laughable.
The fact that the word "meaningful" can be subject to interpretation by any individual is really irrelevant here. If any performance improvement is only detected by one individual out of several hundred - that relegates it to being NOT MEANINGFUL in my considered opinion.
So put your gauntlet away for another day, John. To keep challenging me on this issue would put you in the same category as Jon Risch, and I don't think that's your aim is it?
Cheers,
woodman |
| A gauntlet you say??????? | FLZapped
Oct 31, 2003 3:48 PM | | Dude.....one small request....just one.
DON'T USE THAT DAMNED WORD 'CHOPS'!
Made me think of you know who.....and who wants to do that?(yeah, that guy you mentioned at the end of your post.)
-Bruce |
| "Chops" makes you think of J.R.? | woodman
Oct 31, 2003 4:16 PM | | Sorry, Bruce - I didn't know. Does "he" use that word? I've been going to great lengths to avoid reading any post with "his" name attached ever since he demeaned me and my career in electronics as being meaningless. Ferk him 'til he bleeds!
Again, my sincere apologies for using a word that's offensive (to you). It's a word I've used for decades to describe the technical virtuosity of a fellow jazz musician.
woodman |
| "Chops" makes you think of J.R.? | FLZapped
Nov 1, 2003 12:48 AM | | Yeah, and with him it's in a negative tone, so it make me cringe to see it. I think John E was pulling your chain a bit so he could show off his "artwork".
-Bruce |
| To quote the wise sage... | jneutron
Nov 1, 2003 4:03 PM | | OH SURE...
Cheers, John |
| mmm, sage, I love to use sage.... | FLZapped
Nov 2, 2003 4:06 AM | | Man, now I need to fire up the barbie....-Bruce |
| A gauntlet you say??????? | jneutron
Nov 1, 2003 4:20 PM | | Hi Woodman,
Your qoute: ""A POWER CORD - IN AND OF ITSELF, CANNOT HAVE ANY MEANINGFUL EFFECT ON THE PERFORMANCE OF ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICE OR COMPONENT ... PERIOD!""
Everybody treats the amp and source as three port black boxes...signal in, signal out, power in..
In the real world, that is never possible..All the equipment is connected at the wall socket..
So, it is not the distance, it's the loop formed by the wall outlet/pre cord/IC/amp cord, and the current haversines and audio currents imposed on the amp cord, to be loop intercepted at the amp input end..along with the PC twist pitch..the source cord pitch, the insulation thickness of each (spacing conductors), and the resistivity of the loop along with how it's parsed...it's an interesting problem..but certainly a testable one..not requiring magic or unproven suppositions..
Woodman ""To keep challenging me on this issue would put you in the same category as Jon Risch, and I don't think that's your aim is it?""
I'm afraid I've missed the boat in that regard..apparently you have a history with him on that?
And from further on down this thread, apparently disses on education were part of it?? You've read me incorrectly..
Cheers, John |
| re: Sure doesn't take much to get a COOL IT | Rockwell
Oct 27, 2003 4:35 PM | | Seems like they are gunnin' for you, so maybe you should take the Norm Strong approach and enthusiastically sarcastically agree with whatever lunacy they are suggesting. |
| Call Ripley | FLZapped
Oct 27, 2003 8:53 PM | | Believe it or not, I actually got one of the moderators to agree with me a little later on. (Which meant jumping on Jon Risch's case)
-Bruce |
| Call Ripley | mtrycrafts
Oct 27, 2003 10:34 PM | | Where is that link? |
| Call Ripley | FLZapped
Oct 28, 2003 6:57 AM | | Starts here:
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/83933.html
Ends about three down with my thankyou. (Ted is a moderator)
8~O
Bruce |
| Huh? | rb122
Oct 28, 2003 6:35 AM | | No dissenting opinions allowed over there????
Can I give my kids a 7 day ban if they disagree with me? |
| Huh? | mtrycrafts
Oct 28, 2003 10:13 PM | | Sure, give them 30 days for the hell of it. |
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