|   upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | Night Wolf
May 8, 2002 9:18 AM | | Hello, i was wondering if there was a way to upgrade my to Pro Logic II without buying a new reciever, reason is, because it will add 5.1 to my satillite TV and i just heard that devlopers are going to be using Pro Logic II on Playstation2 games, let me know if anyone knows about somthing like this, Thank You |
| sorry | Old_lane
May 8, 2002 9:52 AM | | Nope, they only have outboard decoder for auto sound systems. At least that's what they had on the Dolby page and I checked about a month ago so I don't think it's changed. In game prologic 2 is pretty nifty (I've been playing Rogue Leader for GC with it) I really don't think that it's worth buying another receiver for just prologic2 but if you were going to buy a new one either for 6.1 or better amp or whatever then you should take a look at this otherwise I don't think it warrants the cost of a new receiver. |
| maybe its time to upgrade already | Night Wolf
May 8, 2002 10:01 AM | | darn, well i have the JVC RX-6010, and i got it for $183 total, so its not like i just spent $600, i just got it over christmas, and its not bad (for the price)but its not a great reciever either ( i have a really nice 2 channel system, so i know good music, and this is only HT, no music) i was thinking about getting the Onkyo 484 or somthing like that, JVC just replaced the RX-6010 with the RX-6020, it has the DVD muti channel input and pro logic 2, too bad there wasn't a way i could trade in my JVC for that one or somthing like that (i know JVC isn't the best, but its just for HT, i use my music system for everything else) |
| maybe its time to upgrade already | Old_lane
May 8, 2002 10:47 AM | | maybe you should look at the Denon 1602 or onkyo 595 you could probably get either of these for around 300 nowadays and I don't think the 484 lets you set speaker distances. |
| re: upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | Woochifer
May 8, 2002 10:55 AM | | Pro Logic II is basically a DSP mode that uses a stereo input to create a five-channel output. It steers some of the directional information from the mains to create the illusion of split surrounds, and it's not a true 5.1 scheme because it only uses a 2.0 signal. Unlike Dolby Surround Pro Logic, this is not an actual format where the receiver is decoding encoded information to create the surround effect. I know that game developers have been slapping that Pro Logic II label on their games, but that may be more window dressing than an actual enhancement. If you use a DPLII receiver, it gets output in five channels, but the original signal is probably no different than what normally goes into a Dolby Surround soundtrack.
The only way to do DPLII is to get a new receiver and IMO it's not worth investing in new hardware just to get that feature. |
| re: upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | Night Wolf
May 8, 2002 11:22 AM | | yeah, i was looking at the onkyo 595, and actualy like it alot more (in every way) then the 484, but the idea here is to keep the $$$ low, although if i did get somthing new it would be the onkyo 595, i didn't care too much for the Denon, and if i was going to spend more (which i am not) i would get the outlaw audio 1050
in reply to Woochifer's post, so you think that running games in Dolby Pro Logic (the first one) would be almost as good as running a game in PLII? how big of a differnce is going from Pro Logic to Pri Logic 2 on a Playstation2 game? Thank You |
| re: upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | Woochifer
May 8, 2002 12:18 PM | | "in reply to Woochifer's post, so you think that running games in Dolby Pro Logic (the first one) would be almost as good as running a game in PLII? how big of a differnce is going from Pro Logic to Pri Logic 2 on a Playstation2 game? Thank You"
With DPL, you'll get the original 2.0 Dolby Surround soundtrack as it was originally intended to be heard. DPLII embellishes the 2.0 soundtrack by steering some of the directional information from the front speakers into the back to create the illusion of discrete rear surrounds. Whether this is a good thing depends on your preferences. I found with movies, DPLII can occasionally do some bizarre things to the sound like bleeding some of the vocals into the rear channels and distorting the imaging. I view it as another DSP mode, and you should try it out for yourself. I would guess that for video games, it will probably create a more active soundfield, and I don't think pinpoint imaging is especially important with video games, so some of the flaws with DPLII that I noted might not be a problem with a video game soundtrack. With my Yamaha, I use the cinema DSP modes to give games like Grand Theft Auto a large theatre effect. |
| re: upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | Night Wolf
May 8, 2002 2:44 PM | | .i head that PLII makes the center channel sound more clear and i think adds more bass (i think there is a special channel going to the subwoofer) so you don't think that i should upgrade my reciever just for PLII
also, when playing a game (or movie, in pro lgic for that matter) should i run it in Pro Logic, alone or Pro Logic with the "theater" DSP turned on? (its a JVC, i know the Yammies have like 40 differnt DSP's, i have like 6 or 8 though, but its enough, i rarly ever use them) |
| re: upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | Woochifer
May 8, 2002 3:45 PM | | As far as I know, DPLII doesn't do anything to the center channel, it mainly works on trying to create a split surround effect. I believe that DPLII creates an LFE track from the original soundtrack and feeds it to the subwoofer. The bass will probably sound better if you have a sub because DPLII includes bass management, but there's no actual augmentation that goes on.
as far as running a DSP with your existing system, that's up to you. A lot of the video games for the PS2 are encoded for Dolby Surround, so you'll at least get the ambient sounds that are encoded for the rear surrounds. DPL gives you the sounds as they were intended to be heard. The DSP (including DPLII) processes this signal and creates whatever illusion the DSP is programmed to do. I use the DSP on my receiver with video games because I think it adds to the gameplay by making the room seem larger, not necessarily because it's more accurate sound. |
| re: upgrade my reciever to Pro Logic 2? | cap
May 8, 2002 3:08 PM | | IMHO it is worthwhile to get a new receiver with Pro Logic II. There are separate versions for movies and music that you can choose in the receiver's setup. My HK receiver also includes a third version of PL II = emulation which works well with conventional stereo recordings. The rear channels in PL II are now full range - previously they rolled off at around 8KHz - I think - someone correct me if I am wrong. Listening to music in PL II is very interesting. When you switch it off, the sound stage in the front channels seems to collapse. Original Pro Logic was not suitable for listening to music in my opinion. Sound and Vision has given PL II excellent reviews. Definetly give it a listen - it is night and day above regular Pro Logic. This is not and was not meant to be a direct competitor to Dolby Digital and DTS - but it does a great job with any two channel source - TV, video tapes, two channel stereo recordings, FM radio. |
| THANK YOU WOOCHIFER!!! | Night Wolf
May 8, 2002 3:30 PM | | when you said you use the cinama DSP when playing GTA3, i rememberd about my theater DSP, i popped GTA3 in, and put the theater DSP on, and DAMN its sounds great, you saved me from getting a new reciever, before (normal PL) it was like everything came front the center channel, when i brought the center channel down (vloume) then there was like no midrage, so i use theater now, and its great, i actualy hear the rear speakers, i was messing around the menue thing on the JVC and cranked the DSP effect all the way up, and its even better, and everytime the car hits a bump or jump you hear it from the sub so much, Thank You |
| Glad to hear it worked fer 'ya! | Woochifer
May 8, 2002 3:59 PM | | With receivers, DPLII and all the other features you're hearing about now will still be there next year. So long as you enjoy what you got currently, stand pat and save your nickels for a REAL upgrade. I generally use the less obnoxious DSP settings with movies, but with GTA3 I use the large theatre spectacle mode -- it just seems to fit that particular game!
BTW, have you tried out the tank cheat? Talk about mayhem (not to mention tons of explosions to work out your subwoofer!)! Almost as insane as the God-mode in Quake! |
| Glad to hear it worked fer 'ya! | Night Wolf
May 8, 2002 4:10 PM | | yeah the tank cheat and fly like dodo cheat are cool, you can fly in the tank (although the dodo is much better and its more fun, i can fly it for as long as i want, i just get bored of it after awhile)
go to GTA3warehouse.com for everything about GTA3
BTW, what does bass management do? would i get a real big differnce of bass with it? |
| Maybe... | Woochifer
May 8, 2002 4:44 PM | | Bass management lets you tweak with the point where bass gets sent to the mains and when it goes to the subwoofer. Depending on your setup, this could make a big difference. Your receiver already has some form of it (i.e. setting your speakers large or small).
I went to that GTA3 website -- NICE! I'm going to try out that Liberty City Survivor cheat tonite. Arming the pedestrians and letting them all waste one another, too funny! GTA3's such a sick game -- I love it! |
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