|   dts "es-compatable" ? | agtpunx40
Apr 30, 2003 11:49 AM | | I've noticed many recievers, yamaha in particular, are listed as "es-compatable." Am I wrong to assume that this is essentially a meaningless statement? |
| Vague yes, but not meaningless | Sir Terrence the Terrible 1
Apr 30, 2003 2:40 PM | | Yamaha hates to pay for liscensing fees. The design their own chipset for DSP functions because they like to control all aspects of their products. To avoid paying a liscensing fees, yamaha probably uses its own matrix encoding chip designed for compatability with Dts ES encoded signals. So it will play the matrix encoded signal back, just not with 24bit precision from Dts's neo matrix decoding. Dts invented the ES decoder(there is no ES signal, its really EX) to avoid having to pay Dolby for liscensing its name EX
The movie industry is riddled with these kinds of competitions.
Sir Terrence |
| Questions, here please.... | Monstrous Mike
May 1, 2003 8:42 AM | | I have one of those Yamaha receivers and here is my take on this.
My receiver does not have rear center channel, it is 5.1. Thus, DTS ES (Matrix) simply plays on my system as per normal. DTS ES (Discrete) has a discrete rear center channel and I believe this information is decoded by my receiver and sent to the rear surrounds (perhaps equally left and right?).
I have Gladiator which is DTS ES (Discrete) but there is no way I could tell what is going on just by listening.
Is this the way you see it as well? |
| Let me assist you my man! | Sir Terrence the Terrible 1
May 2, 2003 12:57 PM | | Mike,
For those systems that are 5.1 playing EX or ES matrix, the matrixed data is played back through the left/right surrounds. But you have to be sitting EXACTLY equi-distant from each surround speaker to hear it. You move a few inches, the effect dissapears.
There are a few things that seperate the ES discrete signal from a matrixed signal. The matrixed ES doesn't signal doesn't exist. ES is the name of the decoder that Dts uses to extract the EX signal for processing in Dts. This is to avoid paying liscensing fee for the usage of the EX name on everying Dts decoder. So it is no accident the both EX and ES operate on the same principle but in slightly different ways. The EX signal can be copied directly from the theatrical printmaster for processing in both Dts and DD.
The discrete signal is totally unique to Dts and Dts only. It has to be created from scratch in the studio and can often sound a little different(spatially wise and sometime audio wise if remastered)than the ES matrix. Gladiator is a perfect example of that.
If you watch movies alone alot, and sit in the sweet spot where you are equi-distant from all speakers, forget the decoder.
If your family watches with you, and you have the space, get the decoder. The decoder allows you to direct the signal to specific speakers which allows more people to hear the effect.
In my current temporary system I don't use EX decoding and I don't need it. I am the only one who watches, I sit exactly in between my surrounds(they are about three feet behind me though) all acoustical problems are handled, and my system is well calibrated. So I clearly hear both the EX and ES encoded signal even without the decoder.
Does this help you?
Sir Terrence |
| Let me assist you my man! | Monstrous Mike
May 2, 2003 4:40 PM | | There is still something I am not clear about.
Does my Yammie receiver take the ES discrete channel and matrix it onto the surrounds? |
| The short but sweet answer is no....... | Sir Terrence the Terrible 1
May 3, 2003 11:37 AM | | MM,
Your yammie receiver ignores the discrete stream altogether since it cannot process it.
Sir Terrence |
| so what you're saying..... | agtpunx40
Apr 30, 2003 3:53 PM | | so what you're saying is that I would ESSENTIALLY get an es/ex matrix surround sound, but done with a slightly different decoder. |
| Bingo!!!!! | Sir Terrence the Terrible 1
Apr 30, 2003 8:37 PM | | It might not have the precision of the ES decoder, but it can do the job.
Sir Terrence |
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