|   Speaking of alternative rock ... check out this DID list | dbi
May 11, 2001 3:28 PM | | One of the few (or maybe only one) I have seen where I actually have and like them all. A little too alternative for day to day listening for me but includes some of my all time favorites. I grabbed it from www.about.com.
<a href="http://surfree.homestead.com/daveingels/files/DesertIslandDiscs.htm">Desert Island Discs</a>
Dave |
| re: Speaking of alternative rock ... check out this DID list | Rae
May 11, 2001 5:13 PM | | Awesome list, but you're right about it being a little too intense for all-the-time listening. I love all those discs, I have all but two (Built to Spill's Perfect From Now On has been on my wish list for a while, but I don't have Joy Division... is that as good as the accompanying comments say it is? I'm somewhat familiar with the band but I have to admit that I don't know the album). |
| Joy Division | Masonjar
May 11, 2001 8:13 PM | | I'd start with their "Substance" cd, then go on to "Closer" and "Unknown Pleasures." Don't get that "Permanent" comp, you'd be better off owning the original albums.
-Mason |
| Joy Division | maf
May 12, 2001 9:48 AM | | I agree with Masonjar. Don't start with Closer, it's intensity and raw emotion could be a little off-putting if not in context with their more accessible stuff. I would suggest staring with Unknown Pleasures a much easier, but still provocative album. Then Substance, which includes their best known songs "Love will Tear us Apart" and "Atmosphere". I think I included Atmosphere on my '80s comp. if you liked that song you should like the rest of their music. But Rae, if you like '80s alternative music, you must add JD to your collection.
Mark |
| Gotta go with the experts! | dbi
May 12, 2001 10:01 AM | | Although I don't think Closer will turn you off to the band because it is such a strong album and I think it is the first one I got. Perfect From Now On was my first BTS album and remains my favorite even though they have a couple really good ones.
Dave |
| New Order | DeanSheen
May 12, 2001 12:09 PM | | Anyone ever listend to the BLADE soundtrack opener song? The sample is from a New Order song and it just crushes!!!! |
| Sure | Jim Clark
May 12, 2001 7:17 PM | | That song, albeit an edited for time version, is on my "Music from the Movies" comp. Pretty cool little tune, it always takes me back to the movie, which was pretty much the whole point of the comp. I should really think about picking up a New Order Disc as all I have are some singles. Any suggestions?
Vive Le Rock
Jim Clark |
| New Order | DustyChalk
May 12, 2001 11:48 PM | | Not sure what the song or the sample is, can you identify either/both?
Here's a brief overview:
Movement - Post Joy Division, they hadn't really found their own identity yet, and this album has actually been disowned by the band.
Power, Corruption, and Lies - establishes New Order as a separate entity, and captures their almost oxymoronic hybridic pop of alternative jangly guitar and high-on-the-neck bass, with electronic dance. An absolute classic. Note, this was from the same period as "Blue Monday", though technically, it wasn't on the album, more of a complementary single.
Low-Life - Other than _Republic_, my personal favorite, probably the best place to start if you want an "album" (air-quotes). Surprising number of instrumentals (two) for a pop band, it plumbs the pits of despair lyrically with "Love Vigilantes" (though musically it sounds like an upbeat song), which AMG accurately describes as almost a folk song. Musically varied as well, some kick-ass drums on Sub-Culture.
_Brotherhood_, _Technique_ - for some reason, I cannot remember either of these albums, though I remember liking them. Probably not good places to start.
_Substance_ - New Order were always a singles band, and this one is simply a collection of all of their singles up 'til that point. It acts as a wonderful faux-greatest-hits-collection, and contains many of their greatest hits, and provides an excellent cross-section of the band, but is missing a few key songs which you can only pick up elsewhere, and is the absolute best place to start with the band, without fear of duplication later.
_Republic_ - a modern-day masterpiece of modern production techniques and brilliant song-writing. |
| New Order - Brotherhood and Technique overviews | Masonjar
May 13, 2001 8:24 AM | | BROTHERHOOD (1986) - There are a good number of "accoustic" songs on this album, it really highlights their schizophrenic guitar-based songs vs. the straight-ahead dance tunes. This album contains one of their biggest hits "Bizarre Love Triange" (though the remixed version on SUBSTANCE is superior) as well as one of my favorites "Every Second Counts."
TECHNIQUE (1989)- This album shows the acid house influence of the day, though still maintains the classic New Order sound. "Round & Round" is another classic dance track kind of in the tradition of "True Faith" but "Fine Time" is a dance tune unlike anything they'd done before. "Run" is one of their best pop songs ever, which is probably because it lifts the tune from John Denver's "Leaving On A Jet Plane." It also has two of my favorite accoustic songs on it "Loveless" and "All The Way."
I agree with Dusty though, SUBSTANCE is a great place to start. On more than a few cuts the versions on SUBSTANCE are vastly different than the original album versions (different vocals, extended length) and many are only available on 12" (some classic, like "Theives Like Us" and some nearly laughable, like "Shellshock" ((about which one smart-ass dj wrote on the cover of the 12" "Ian Curtis is spinning in his grave at 45 rpm))). |
| I liked "Shellshock" (nt) | DustyChalk
May 13, 2001 8:19 PM | | |
| New Order ++Blade | DeanSheen
May 13, 2001 8:56 AM | | Sorry it wasnt the title track........
12. Confusion (Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix) - New Order Baker/G/H/M/S
It was song #12! |
| New Order ++Blade | DustyChalk
May 13, 2001 8:16 PM | | "Confusion" was sort of a sequel to "Blue Monday", FYI. Hope that sets things in perspective. I stand by my recommendations (Substance first). |
| Confusion and Shellshock | Masonjar
May 14, 2001 12:21 AM | | 'Confusion' is an interesting song. There's the updated remix on SUBSTANCE Disc 1, the "Confusion Instrumental" on Disc 2, and then there's the 12" version, which is basically the "Confusion Instrumental" w/ an earlier vocal take, plus it has those chants, which I don't quite understand the purpose of ("Why can't you see, what you mean to me??"). This is not available on SUBSTANCE. Definately one of New Orders weirder moments. Sorry to knock 'Shellshock.' I don't despise it, it's very catchy, but to me it really kind of stands out as very un-New Orderlike. Wasn't that also in Sixteen Candles or Pretty in Pink..one of those? I know 'Thieves like Us' was also used in one of those.. can't remember which.
-Mason |
| confusion and soundtracks | DustyChalk
May 14, 2001 7:40 AM | | On the original 12" of "Confusion", there's: Confusion, Confusion Instrumental, Confused Beats (which is a weird very minimal remix), and Confusion (Rough Mix) (which really isn't that far off from Confusion. Then there's the re-recording they did for _Substance_.
I'm sure by the time they were done with it, they were either very happy with that song, or completely tired of it.
Yeah, don't have it handy, but if I recall, there was also some weird "call letters" "(something), (something), W-R-L" that I never understood. Not really call letters, but that's what it sounded like...
Shellshock was in Pretty in Pink. In fact, I think that's where it came from. You're welcome to think it's weird, too. (-: I just have to disagree, that's all, it was one of my favorite of their tracks back then...not as up there as True Faith, but probably in my top 10 favorite New Order tracks. Of course, it probably sounds a bit dated now, but at the time, I really liked that cut-up, sampled sound. I just found it very energetic. |
| My vote goes to Unknown Pleasures but be warned.......... | unleasHell
May 15, 2001 9:15 AM | | don't list to it after breaking up with your girlfriend........... |
| don't agree................... | unleasHell
May 15, 2001 9:12 AM | | First I don't agree with the term "Desert Island". Has anyone ever seen a island that is a "Desert"? All sand maybe. Many Islands are TROPICAL ISLANDS (just ask Gilligan) I think people mean to say "desertED" Islands, but if you were stuck on one of those, where would you get electricity?
Now to their list, the only band I even like is Joy Division and ther first album is WAY better than the second. AS far as essentials, NO list should be without the Chameleons - Script of the Bridge, perhaps the best ROCK album ever! (sorry Led Zep fans). |
| Batteries dude, lots and lots of batteries... (nt) | DustyChalk
May 15, 2001 9:47 AM | | |
| words sometimes have more than one meaning | dbi
May 15, 2001 10:02 AM | | You're getting a little too picky I think. Desert island is actually a proper phrase since desert can also mean an uninhabited region so can be used as a modifier with island to mean the same as uninhabited (or deserted) island.
The list was taken from an alternative rock site so is mainly composed of critically acclaimed alternative rock albums and I would certainly agree that these aren't essentials for people who don't particularly like that type of music but I thought it topical in light of the arguing about the subject in that other big thread. :-)
Dave |
| Chameleons | maf
May 16, 2001 8:48 AM | | Script of the Bridge is a fine album, but best rock album of all time? I may even argue it's not the best Chameleons album - Strange Times is very good as well and may be stronger than SOTB. But my view of SOTB may be scewed as I have original Canadian vinyl and here's what AMG has to say about the U.S. release (same as Canadian):
"An important note: avoid at all costs the original US vinyl issue on MCA, which not only switches the song order but removes a full third of the songs. Ned Raggett"
You've got to wonder why a record company would butcher an album in this fasion for no apparent good reason. I guess I should search original Brit vinyl or, God forbid, the CD, to fully appreciate this album.
And about Unknown Pleasures vs. Closer. I can see why someone would prefer Unknown Pleasures and I did too, at first. Pleasures is a more accessible album and harder rocking, but Closer is the much more rewarding album long term, it just requires a greater commitment on the part of the listener to fully appreciate. Having said that, as an introduction to JD, I recommend Pleasures.
P.S. Yesterday I picked up an original British pressing of the 12" single Atmosphere, Wow! If you've only heard this song on the greatest hits CD Substance, get the 12", it is awesome.
Mark
NP: Shoot out the Lights, R&L Thompson |
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