|   Genesis: Selling England By The Pound (remaster) | 3-LockBox
Mar 3, 2003 9:21 AM | | Picked this up the other day for $9.99. After hear a couple of these songs on Barry L's and Demetrio's Prog Covers comps, I decided to give this release a try. (I woulda picked up 'Lamb', but they didn't have it). I do like this release much better than Foxtrot. But one aspect of Foxtrot is still here on the latter half of 'Selling'; its Gabriel's singing. Not that he sounds bad, but on tracks like Battle Of Epping Forrest and After The Ordeal, he seems very infatuated with his own voice. I really like the song I Know What I Like (in your wardrobe); a glimpse into the future of how the latter incarnation of Genesis would sound. Is <i>More Fool Me</i> Phil Collins' first lead vocal on a Genesis album?
I can't make too much comparison twix this remaster and anything else, since this is a first time listen. I can certainly see the reasons why Spock's Beard and Marillion and Flower Kings are constantly referred to as being derrivative of 'old' Genesis. To be honest, I think I'd rather hear Flower Kings do this style of music than Genesis, just because I think that the production values on Flower Kings CDs are more to my liking, and this remastered CD still sounds like an old album to me. I have two other Genesis remasters and I think that both Genesis and Yes remasters leave a lot to be desired. |
| Old Genesis | Troy
Mar 3, 2003 9:53 AM | | Yeah, pretty sure that's the first time Collins sang lead in the band. He is a technically better singer than Gabriel, but most people like the "personality" in PGs singing. The first couple of Genesis albums with Collins fronting were the best period for the band IMO. He's just got more dynamics and range. This was before anybody had ever heard of him and his ego hadn't exploded yet. After 1980 or so, his insistance on being Mr. Fabulous Showbiz ruined the band.
Your comment on preferring the production values of the newer neo-prog bands is very telling. I agree with you on many levels. I like the louder, heavier modern music more too. However, The Flower Kings and Spocks Beard (et.al) would never exist had Genesis not come along to invent the genre by writing masterpieces like "Firth of Fifth". You just can't dismiss that. Many people dismiss The Beatles in the same way. |
| Not dismissing <i>old Genesis</i> | 3-LockBox
Mar 3, 2003 10:18 AM | | I did state that I could definately hear the similarities and understand why some neo-prog bands are called derrivative of early Genesis.
I mentioned Collins' singing on this album because while I agree with you about his singing ability, on <i>More Fool Me</i>, he sounds somewhat timid, like it was new for him, and it was.
This is a very mellow, melodic album. Firth Of Fifth is one of the reasons I decided to buy this CD (I forget which band covered them) when I listened to those Prog Cover Comps. This CD has me chompin at the bit for the 'Lamb' CD. See, I was a po white cracker raised up in Tennessee, and never heard of half the stuff you guys got tired of listening to decades ago. Score another comp related retail purchase.
Flower Kings do a splendid job covering 'Lamb'; I wonder how their live disc sounds? Ever hear it? |
| I know | Troy
Mar 3, 2003 10:51 AM | | I'm just makin' conversation.
Well, Javier calls me out on Collins' first lead vocals I guess. I think "More Fool Me"'s quiet lyrical tone required that timid singing style, something PG is totally incapable of.
Yes, I have the Live FKs release. It's ok, but for completists only IMO. I don't think they have much dynamics in a live setting. Saw them 18 months ago and they just sucked horribly. I mean truly amateur hour stuff. I hear it in the live album and saw a video of some live stuff and they looked like a bunch of cardboard cut-outs.
Of course, Dave G saw them and thought they were GREAT . . . so your mileage may vary. |
| I cannot tolerate "More Fool Me" for the most part | Dave_G
Mar 3, 2003 11:20 AM | | I skip that toon on that otherwise superb Genesis album.
The Flower Kings I saw and the Flower Kings Troy saw were the same guys in very different situations (read - Sweden to San Fran versus Sweden to Atlanta).
My favorite old school Genesis is Trespass. It's great.
Dave |
| Phil Collins first lead,,,, | Javier
Mar 3, 2003 10:22 AM | | I'll need to check the data but i think in Nursery crime,s for absent friends he did some lead.
Seelling is just my fav from genesis and agrred with Troy they were the coinventors of the genre. |
| Correct re: For Absent Friends (nt) | Mr MidFi
Mar 3, 2003 11:46 AM | | |
| Trick of the Tail & Seconds Out | Mr MidFi
Mar 3, 2003 11:55 AM | | I agree with Troy...their best work came immediately before and after Gabriel's departure (Lamb through Seconds Out). <i>Trick of the Tail</i> is easily my favorite from them. The live album, <i>Seconds Out</i>, is an underappreciated masterpiece too, loaded with older stuff...included a full-length "Supper's Ready" that absolutely kills. The album in between those two, <i>Wind & Wuthering</i>, is a little more ethereal, but definitely has its moments as well.
Back to your original post: what old Yes remaster did you feel was lacking? I rather liked the Fragile remaster. |
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